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all right everybody i am going to try

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my second attempt to interview emma

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woods hopefully this time she can hear

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me i'm having computer problems

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similar to what i had last time which i

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didn't realize um so hopefully

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everything goes well and

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i will bring in emma right now

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hi emma how you doing can you hear me

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okay i can hi

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you doing okay

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yes

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all right

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thanks for doing this again and um for

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those who don't know

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emma is known

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for her interactions as a patient with

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dr d david jacobs but there's so much

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more to her story um which i'm gonna

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focus on that tonight

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and first off for people who don't know

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who you are just tell me about who you

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are

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and where you grew up

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um i grew up in africa and

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um

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i have had anomalous experiences through

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my life

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um

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and then i lived which started from when

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i was a very young child in africa

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and then i lived in europe for a period

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and now i live in the pacific

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yes i'm known in the ufo field because i

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was

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a research subject of david jacobs

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and then that went wrong and i made some

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things known in the ufo field about that

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which is how most people know of me in

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the ufo field

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the beginning

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to

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try and find out

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some more about my anomalous experiences

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and what might be happening with them um

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and then that kind of got a bit derailed

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when i was a research subject of jacobs

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and then sort of recovered from that and

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then i just decided to write a book

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about my experiences which is

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basically what drew me to the field in

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the first place

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so it's yeah so

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and that came out

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which i read and which i really enjoyed

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and what you did an excellent job your

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first book as an author and why do you

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why do you use this uh

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for your name

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um i use a pseudonym because there's a

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lot of stigma

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where i live around

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the ufo phenomenon and anomalous

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experiences and so on and it would

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have quite a detrimental effect on me

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socially

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and it would also affect my family so i

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just do it to protect myself and to

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protect my family from the stigma

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yeah

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how did you first how did you first

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meet david jacobs how did that happen

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um well i was i saw a therapist just for

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normal sort of life issues um and

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i talked to him during my therapy about

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my anomalous experiences um and

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i for most of my life just dealt with

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them by suppressing them and it reached

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a point where i couldn't do that anymore

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and he suggested that i write a history

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of them and then start to record them as

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a way to get control over them which i

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did um and at that point i'm i just i

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decided i was going to look at the ufo

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phenomenon

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to see whether i could get some answers

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there

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and i got a book at the library by bud

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hopkins and i read that

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and then my therapist was interested but

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he had a very neutral view of the

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phenomenon um and his view was just we

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don't know what it is um but you know he

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supported me in investigating that um

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and so he wanted some advice on how to

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help a client who has these types of

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experiences and he initially talked to

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some of his colleagues but he

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kind of realized very

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early on that that was not going to work

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of the stigma basically

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so david jacobs had a page on his

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website where he

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offers to send information to therapists

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to help them with their clients so my

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sent him some information and there was

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a bit of back and forth and then

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um jacob sent him his home phone number

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where i could call him and so i called

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him and said that's how

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i made contact with jacobs yeah it was

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do you feel anything i know you had your

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issues with him just to put it lightly

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do you feel anything good came out of

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that interaction with him

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experience can

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have some good with it you learn about

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yourself it's character building in that

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sense well i mean yeah i mean every

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experience in life you can learn from it

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and get stuff from it so in that sense i

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have but i would have preferred not to

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have had it not to have learned things

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that way it was a very traumatic

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experience yeah

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no i understand um what did you so

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childhood

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what were you like as a child

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serious little kid i think

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vet when i was growing up

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yeah but otherwise sort of fairly normal

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um but i had anomalous experiences but

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that was just sort of part of

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yeah my life and yeah just a quiet

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but fairly normal little kid

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but you were very smart

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what you you downplay but i mean you

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talk about in the book you say that

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you were so smart that you were kept out

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of some of the exercises in school

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because you were so so much more so much

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smarter than the other kids that did

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your family think you know when when you

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talk to them now that they say yeah you

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were really smart for your age because i

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even at one years old you can try to you

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were trying to express yourself with

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your eyes that's what people were

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thinking in your family yeah

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she says that i was a very smart kid um

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received some kind of other education

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it's just a kind of like an underlying

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feeling that i have i don't have actual

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memories of it but i've always had that

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kind of feeling when i went to school

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it just felt familiar to me i just

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picked it up in a flash um and

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yeah the teacher she kind of dealt with

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it she used to teach by um having

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competitions where she'd ask the class

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things and then you put up your hand and

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so on and so forth or you call out the

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answer and and i've won so many of the

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competitions it wasn't really working so

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made me stop she made me sit out um so i

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couldn't participate in the class um and

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that it kind of contributed to me

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feeling like an outsider because i'd

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felt like an outsider so um and that's

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i know that a lot of experiences feel

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like outsiders and i definitely did when

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contributed to it as well

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i want to read something that i read

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last time i tried to interview you and i

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can't pull up i cannot pull up graphics

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right now so i'll just read it you said

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and it shows how open-minded you are

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because our first interaction was not

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great i mean you were fine i

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was a little too hard on you asking

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questions but you were fine and later on

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you're like i understand people want to

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ask questions and you're one of the most

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experiences but you're you you are

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perfectly fine with people being

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skeptical and asking tough questions

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which is fantastic um and this is what

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you say in your book throughout my

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entire life until the present day i have

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had anomalous experiences that i cannot

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explain anomalous experiences by

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definition

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do not fit into our everyday consensus

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reality they are rejected by mainstream

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society and have a stigma attached to

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them my own experiences fit patterns

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that our modern western culture explains

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as quote paranormal and quote ufo

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cultural explanations and i'm neither a

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believer nor a skeptic

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however i think that the underlying

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experiences given giving rise to these

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explanations are very real

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whatever their actual origin how how

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hard is it for you not to come to any

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i'm not an experiencer like that but i i

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have opinions on all this i don't come

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to conclusions either i don't know

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what's going on is it difficult for you

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not to come to a conclusion or at least

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do you have days where you're like you

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know what i think this might be aliens

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something in the spiritual realm or this

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aliens or all of the above do you go

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i i know more about it than

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i'm able to access or that i am

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not prepared to look at because it would

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be too much for me or something like

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that but i sometimes have a feeling that

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i know more about it than that i'm sort

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of aware of um

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but in terms of just staying agnostic

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because i tend to approach a lot of life

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that way anyway um so it's not really a

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struggle um

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what what is what is it and i'm always

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sort of trying to think if if there are

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ways that i can sort of

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get more and more of an idea of what it

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one of the one of the first when was the

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first time you thought

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this could be a classic alien abduction

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scenario and when did you when was the

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first time you ever even heard about

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that as a possibility

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in a woman's magazine and it was signs

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that you're being abducted by aliens and

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they had like this little list and and

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that was the time when i suddenly

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realized oh my you know i was

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quite

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amazed by that because that list

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had things that i had experienced

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and that was the first

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inkling that i've

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had

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and then i

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took the article out of magazine and i

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kept it in my diary for a couple of

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years

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because

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i was kind of resistant to that idea

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um but i also knew it had some kind of

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importance for me

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um

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and then i think that's probably what

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led me up to having a bit of a crisis

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point about it where

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um before then i was just suppressing it

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all and just trying to live like a

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normal person um and i think that

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article was a bit of a catalyst and

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it took two years but in the end i

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i couldn't sort of ignore it anymore um

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so that's yeah it was about two years

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before

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and the memories that you share in your

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book or are any of them

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were any of them remembered via hypnosis

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is or is everything in the book just

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your memories fragmented memories yeah

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it's all my conscious memories some of

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the events i later had hypnosis on but i

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had

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full notes about them before the

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hypnosis and i was very careful to check

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that was there was nothing in the book

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that actually came from hypnosis it's

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do you ever think and i'm jumping ahead

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if you did if you had never met jacobs

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how different your life as far as

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in this realm talking about this how

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different it would have been

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um yeah um

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probably no one would be interested

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because

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i would just be an experiencer who was

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you know

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reading some articles online and i would

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never have made contact with it you know

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with people

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yeah so

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it's kind of

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yeah my whole kind of platform i guess

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in the field and even the ability to

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write a book i guess has come from that

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um

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does that bother you at all

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i hear your name oh yeah david jacobs

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the controversy

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um because i gotta tell you emma when i

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talk to people behind the scenes

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researchers they're like oh emma woods

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yeah

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liar liar liar

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i'm like really i'm like and i didn't

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know anything about your story when i

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first encountered it i'm like i don't

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really know this story i should know it

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now you didn't so does that bother you

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at all um yeah it does bother me um

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and i also think it's an indictment on

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them um because i've put audio in you

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know in public that they can listen to

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and i know for a fact that at least one

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high-profile ufologist who who was very

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um vocal about about me in a negative

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way actually admitted that he refused to

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listen to the audio and to me i just

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think that well it's sad um but i

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so i it does bother me but i also think

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if you if someone is presenting evidence

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and you refuse to look at it that's an

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indictment on them not me

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um and i've up what i've said so

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you talk about some of your most

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memorable uh more not impressive but the

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memories as a child

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that really stuck stick with you till

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this day where

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you know the anomalous experience just

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just talk about some of those you

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experienced as a child

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um

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yeah well

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when i was between the ages of five and

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nine um i sometimes used to see

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a little short humanoid

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being

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and i had a name for him but it will be

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identifying because i've talked about

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him to people in my family so i actually

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used the pseudonym for him in the book i

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called him dearest

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and i have fragmentary memories

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of him

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but what was really interesting about

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that is that another child also saw him

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and she also remembers that him now as

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an adult and i actually interviewed her

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as an adult about it um and she

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confirmed that she saw him as well and

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she actually had some memories about him

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that i didn't have like he had little

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pointy feet um and things like that so

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um

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that was

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momentous for me was the interactions

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with

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how did you find out that she

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remembered him like when did that happen

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did that happen later and i know you

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speak about it in the book i don't

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remember exactly when and how was that

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for you to have some sort of cooperation

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from somebody because for an experiencer

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that's huge yeah it was huge

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um

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record my experiences i actually

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interviewed people in my life um

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and

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i interviewed her

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and just and she

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talked about it and she said that she

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remembered him um and then

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she kind of volunteered some stuff that

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she remembered about him which i

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hadn't even

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remembered and and yeah i was absolutely

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flawed by that i mean it was it was

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yeah because yeah it was amazing

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talk about your family because i know

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you said you spoke to your family your

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mom and dad have had experiences and

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that's kind and other family members

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that kind of helped you

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verify some of your experiences because

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they remember some of you some of you

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know when you were going through that

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yeah my dad um he told me that he'd had

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um experiences right through his life um

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and some other family members had also

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had experiences um and like one of my

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cousins had had them all through her

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life

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um

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and i hadn't known about those and and i

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hadn't talked about mine so it really

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brought home to me how hidden the

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phenomenon is

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um and i've talked to other people

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since then um and i i've sort of it

451
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almost seems that almost everybody has

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had you know at least one or two

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unexplained experiences or they know

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somebody who has so i think it's

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actually probably quite common but it's

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really taboo and really hidden and

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people just don't talk about it

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um and so in our family we just didn't

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talk about it

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um and it was just when i was

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interviewing them that they sort of came

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forward and told me

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stuff

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um yeah yeah i i

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mean i have a i have a family member who

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has had

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i'd say anomalous uh definitely an

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anomalous non-physical experience that

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was not pleasant um and i even seem to

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remember my late mom

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i remember my sister telling me

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something about how she had some sort of

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interaction that would that might have

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fit into the abduction scenario but i

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found about i found out about it after

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she passed away it's like

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why wasn't this shared early on because

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it's like you said it's stigma

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especially back then i mean i grew up

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in the 70s that's when my my youth and

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there's no way would we talk about this

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you know i went and i was interested in

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it i saw close encounters with the third

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kind in the theater so yeah but and i

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remember

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not too long ago i brought it up with my

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dad and i'm like

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what do you think about ufos because i

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spent a lot of time on this and he's

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like

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demonic they're demonic i don't want to

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talk about it i'm like really i'm like

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okay he's not really that religious but

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yeah it was never discussed either in my

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family um

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but i want to ask you something about uh

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abductions because in the book you say

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you basically reject the abduction

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narrative because it's largely primarily

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primarily based on hypnosis and

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recovered memories but there are people

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there are a decent amount of people who

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have their memories intact they have

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their experiences during the day

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artie clark if you haven't looked into

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her all of her experiences are

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all memory nothing from she will not

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take a case with hypnosis which is

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really great and a lot of the

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experiences are similar to the

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experiences with hypnosis um so it makes

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me think

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there is something to it i still don't

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know what it is i mean dr gary nolan i

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don't know if you followed his work from

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stanford he's like the leading

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hypothesis is these things whatever they

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are they're either

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um an avatar a representation of

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whatever the intelligence is or

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it's able to create some sort of virtual

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virtual reality so if you're seeing a

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little gray it's really not them it's

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just portraying itself the way it wants

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to be portrayed i don't know if that's

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true or not um

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but yeah haven't followed his work at

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all

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um sorry just could you just repeat that

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last bit

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about dr gary nolan some of his theories

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it's he's a he's a

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immunologist immunologist at stanford

534
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and he's also an experiencer and he's

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he's shared some of his his experiences

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and he's also talked about various

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theories in the intelligence world

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um for i mean he's just if you're an

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experiencer i would think you would be

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overjoyed to have somebody like that

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going public because it's not great for

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his reputation let's face it i mean

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you know he's in a mainstream university

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and he's talking about little men at his

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bed when he was younger

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yeah yeah

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i i do think that hypnosis brings out

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both

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true memories and false memories um

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for me the problem is is that they're

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intertwined and you don't know which is

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which and also it can be quite damaging

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to the person

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if they're having traumatic false

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memories it's so for me i don't

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support going down that hypnosis line um

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but yeah i'm sure that within hypnosis

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it probably has brought out um

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truth as well as false memories so it

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there will be some overlap between them

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i probably would expect that um but i

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don't

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support the full-on narrative that that

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jacobs presents for example because

565
00:21:57,990 --> 00:21:54,720
um i just believe he's creating a lot of

566
00:21:59,750 --> 00:21:58,000
that however i mean he has hypnotized

567
00:22:02,549 --> 00:21:59,760
real experiences

568
00:22:04,549 --> 00:22:02,559
um so and they within their hypnosis

569
00:22:08,070 --> 00:22:04,559
would i think bring out some some

570
00:22:10,549 --> 00:22:08,080
reality as well so i think it's a mixed

571
00:22:12,789 --> 00:22:10,559
a mixed bag but because of the hypnosis

572
00:22:14,549 --> 00:22:12,799
i just rejected and i'd only be

573
00:22:17,110 --> 00:22:14,559
interested in looking at

574
00:22:18,390 --> 00:22:17,120
you know for myself i only

575
00:22:19,990 --> 00:22:18,400
take

576
00:22:22,310 --> 00:22:20,000
my my

577
00:22:23,909 --> 00:22:22,320
non-hypnotic memories as my real

578
00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:23,919
memories

579
00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:25,280
yeah

580
00:22:28,950 --> 00:22:27,440
do you see do you agree with this i

581
00:22:31,750 --> 00:22:28,960
think that

582
00:22:32,630 --> 00:22:31,760
hypnosis would be a lot better

583
00:22:34,549 --> 00:22:32,640
if

584
00:22:35,669 --> 00:22:34,559
there were professionals and i don't i

585
00:22:36,710 --> 00:22:35,679
don't mean to

586
00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:36,720
you know

587
00:22:39,990 --> 00:22:38,400
just just um

588
00:22:41,350 --> 00:22:40,000
say anything negative about anybody who

589
00:22:42,630 --> 00:22:41,360
who was involved in this because i know

590
00:22:44,870 --> 00:22:42,640
there are a lot of therapists who have

591
00:22:47,669 --> 00:22:44,880
worked with experiencers but

592
00:22:49,830 --> 00:22:47,679
it seems like there is no mainstream

593
00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:49,840
like you said a mainstream therapist you

594
00:22:54,390 --> 00:22:52,080
can't go to even back then if you were

595
00:22:56,710 --> 00:22:54,400
go were to go to them they're like yeah

596
00:22:59,110 --> 00:22:56,720
um you might be a little crazy let's do

597
00:23:01,029 --> 00:22:59,120
a psychological evaluation that opened

598
00:23:02,390 --> 00:23:01,039
the door for people like jacobs and

599
00:23:04,470 --> 00:23:02,400
hopkins

600
00:23:06,789 --> 00:23:04,480
and mac and other folks which in a

601
00:23:08,870 --> 00:23:06,799
perfect world we would have the best of

602
00:23:10,390 --> 00:23:08,880
the best working with experiences and we

603
00:23:11,590 --> 00:23:10,400
don't have that maybe sometime in the

604
00:23:13,590 --> 00:23:11,600
future

605
00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:13,600
that'll happen you know that do you

606
00:23:16,789 --> 00:23:14,880
agree that's what we need i mean it's

607
00:23:19,830 --> 00:23:16,799
obviously you need the best of the best

608
00:23:21,909 --> 00:23:19,840
working with experiences obviously

609
00:23:23,510 --> 00:23:21,919
yeah i think it's a real shame i mean

610
00:23:27,110 --> 00:23:23,520
there's nowhere that an experienced

611
00:23:29,590 --> 00:23:27,120
cancer can go because you can't go to

612
00:23:32,390 --> 00:23:29,600
a religious figure i mean what are they

613
00:23:33,190 --> 00:23:32,400
supposed to do about it you can't go to

614
00:23:36,789 --> 00:23:33,200
their

615
00:23:39,909 --> 00:23:36,799
you can go to you to some therapists but

616
00:23:42,549 --> 00:23:39,919
the the profession overall mainstream i

617
00:23:45,110 --> 00:23:42,559
would say you've got to be careful

618
00:23:47,110 --> 00:23:45,120
um you can't go to

619
00:23:50,149 --> 00:23:47,120
you know law enforcement all the kind of

620
00:23:52,149 --> 00:23:50,159
avenues that people would go to normally

621
00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:52,159
for help um

622
00:23:57,510 --> 00:23:54,720
you can't really go there so

623
00:23:59,270 --> 00:23:57,520
yeah and then you the ufology is there

624
00:24:01,750 --> 00:23:59,280
and then there are people sort of set up

625
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:01,760
there and i think some some researchers

626
00:24:07,270 --> 00:24:05,039
in the ufo field are really nice people

627
00:24:09,350 --> 00:24:07,280
and who probably are helping people and

628
00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:09,360
then you get the others who are sort of

629
00:24:14,950 --> 00:24:12,480
more predatory or you know not so good

630
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:14,960
um but it's a bit of a bit of a you know

631
00:24:20,149 --> 00:24:18,400
wild west in a way um and yeah i just i

632
00:24:21,750 --> 00:24:20,159
hope in the future that

633
00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:21,760
um there will be more places where

634
00:24:26,470 --> 00:24:24,240
people can actually go and get real

635
00:24:28,070 --> 00:24:26,480
professional help that actually

636
00:24:29,909 --> 00:24:28,080
by people who actually understand the

637
00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:29,919
phenomenon and

638
00:24:34,230 --> 00:24:32,080
um yeah i think it

639
00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:34,240
can't come soon enough really

640
00:24:38,149 --> 00:24:36,000
you talk about the wild west it is the

641
00:24:39,990 --> 00:24:38,159
wild west i mean it's it was like that

642
00:24:42,789 --> 00:24:40,000
when i first got into it in the mid 90s

643
00:24:44,310 --> 00:24:42,799
but now it's it's really bad and

644
00:24:45,669 --> 00:24:44,320
it really bothers me because there are

645
00:24:47,669 --> 00:24:45,679
people out there who

646
00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:47,679
do not take experiences seriously there

647
00:24:50,470 --> 00:24:49,200
are skeptics i'm like have you checked

648
00:24:51,590 --> 00:24:50,480
into this no

649
00:24:52,870 --> 00:24:51,600
i mean i don't know if it's gone as

650
00:24:55,350 --> 00:24:52,880
extreme as what you said where they

651
00:24:57,110 --> 00:24:55,360
won't even listen to you which is really

652
00:24:57,909 --> 00:24:57,120
extreme which is really troublesome i

653
00:24:59,510 --> 00:24:57,919
would

654
00:25:01,669 --> 00:24:59,520
love to know who that person is i'm not

655
00:25:03,830 --> 00:25:01,679
going to ask you but um

656
00:25:05,430 --> 00:25:03,840
your family so it began as a toddler

657
00:25:08,549 --> 00:25:05,440
what

658
00:25:10,070 --> 00:25:08,559
as you got older did the experiences

659
00:25:12,830 --> 00:25:10,080
change at all or did they stay in a

660
00:25:17,430 --> 00:25:15,669
um i think that they're pretty

661
00:25:19,669 --> 00:25:17,440
consistent

662
00:25:21,510 --> 00:25:19,679
through my life and feel free to

663
00:25:22,310 --> 00:25:21,520
describe any of them that just stand out

664
00:25:23,029 --> 00:25:22,320
i mean

665
00:25:24,549 --> 00:25:23,039
yeah

666
00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:24,559
but just a couple of them if you don't

667
00:25:28,230 --> 00:25:25,760
mind

668
00:25:30,310 --> 00:25:28,240
um yeah i think they are they're pretty

669
00:25:31,590 --> 00:25:30,320
consistent um

670
00:25:34,950 --> 00:25:31,600
i've had

671
00:25:36,070 --> 00:25:34,960
um a number of um premonitions that have

672
00:25:38,470 --> 00:25:36,080
come true

673
00:25:40,470 --> 00:25:38,480
um one of them were when it was when i

674
00:25:44,470 --> 00:25:40,480
was with my first husband as a young

675
00:25:45,669 --> 00:25:44,480
woman um i had a really realistic dream

676
00:25:48,549 --> 00:25:45,679
that i was

677
00:25:51,669 --> 00:25:48,559
um in a square in the soviet union and

678
00:25:54,390 --> 00:25:51,679
that there was a really large earthquake

679
00:25:57,909 --> 00:25:54,400
and i felt like i was in the earthquake

680
00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:57,919
um and then when i woke up after the

681
00:26:02,549 --> 00:25:59,760
dream i was really shaken by it and i

682
00:26:04,470 --> 00:26:02,559
woke my husband up and told him um and

683
00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:04,480
then the next day we found out that

684
00:26:09,269 --> 00:26:06,960
there had been and i told him what part

685
00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:09,279
of the soviet union it was in and the

686
00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:12,640
next day there had been a big earthquake

687
00:26:16,390 --> 00:26:14,720
during that time period when i when i

688
00:26:18,149 --> 00:26:16,400
had that dream so

689
00:26:20,310 --> 00:26:18,159
um

690
00:26:22,390 --> 00:26:20,320
and i've had those sort of

691
00:26:24,310 --> 00:26:22,400
through my life i don't have a lot of

692
00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:24,320
them but they're kind of a regular

693
00:26:29,190 --> 00:26:26,880
occurrence

694
00:26:33,070 --> 00:26:29,200
and

695
00:26:34,149 --> 00:26:33,080
i often have unexplained body marks

696
00:26:37,029 --> 00:26:34,159
[Music]

697
00:26:37,750 --> 00:26:37,039
little very fine one

698
00:26:39,430 --> 00:26:37,760
um centimeter

699
00:26:40,870 --> 00:26:39,440
gonna share i'm gonna just try to share

700
00:26:42,070 --> 00:26:40,880
your screen

701
00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:42,080
because

702
00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:44,000
you talk about well you show some

703
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:45,600
pictures on your website hopefully this

704
00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:47,520
will work so yeah there's just talk

705
00:26:51,350 --> 00:26:49,919
about some of those yeah

706
00:26:53,269 --> 00:26:51,360
and how they came about because you have

707
00:26:55,669 --> 00:26:53,279
had i think it was like i kind of like

708
00:26:58,230 --> 00:26:55,679
18 different experiences you detail in

709
00:27:00,710 --> 00:26:58,240
the book with marks or scars so just

710
00:27:03,269 --> 00:27:00,720
yeah just how some of these came about

711
00:27:04,630 --> 00:27:03,279
yeah well that burn that you're just

712
00:27:05,669 --> 00:27:04,640
showing there

713
00:27:09,510 --> 00:27:05,679
um

714
00:27:10,390 --> 00:27:09,520
house

715
00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:10,400
um

716
00:27:13,990 --> 00:27:12,240
and then at one point he he just

717
00:27:15,590 --> 00:27:14,000
suddenly said that he needed to go

718
00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:15,600
outside for a breather like he felt

719
00:27:20,950 --> 00:27:18,720
claustrophobic um and it never happened

720
00:27:24,630 --> 00:27:20,960
before or you know why that would have

721
00:27:27,029 --> 00:27:24,640
been but he went outside um and then

722
00:27:29,029 --> 00:27:27,039
um i just found myself kneeling on the

723
00:27:31,029 --> 00:27:29,039
floor and i was just became aware that i

724
00:27:33,350 --> 00:27:31,039
had this burning pain in my arm and i

725
00:27:34,950 --> 00:27:33,360
looked down and there was that burn

726
00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:34,960
um

727
00:27:39,029 --> 00:27:36,640
and then

728
00:27:40,549 --> 00:27:39,039
for for a while afterwards had this pain

729
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:40,559
going down my arm

730
00:27:45,909 --> 00:27:43,440
um and then he came in and i showed him

731
00:27:47,029 --> 00:27:45,919
the burn but we didn't really talk about

732
00:27:48,630 --> 00:27:47,039
it and

733
00:27:50,230 --> 00:27:48,640
at that stage

734
00:27:51,590 --> 00:27:50,240
and i never really thought about you

735
00:27:54,230 --> 00:27:51,600
know checking to see whether we'd had

736
00:27:55,269 --> 00:27:54,240
any missing time or anything like that

737
00:27:57,269 --> 00:27:55,279
um

738
00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:57,279
but yeah and it was that was just quite

739
00:28:01,909 --> 00:27:58,799
a sort of a typical

740
00:28:03,750 --> 00:28:01,919
thing where i just have these marks and

741
00:28:06,549 --> 00:28:03,760
i don't know you know

742
00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:06,559
yeah so that's quite a common thing i

743
00:28:10,710 --> 00:28:08,960
mean i had um

744
00:28:12,149 --> 00:28:10,720
one of those yesterday actually one of

745
00:28:15,029 --> 00:28:12,159
those straight cuts that you're showing

746
00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:15,039
on my arm i had one of my thumbs so it's

747
00:28:19,669 --> 00:28:18,320
just a sort of regular kind of thing

748
00:28:21,350 --> 00:28:19,679
that happens

749
00:28:22,710 --> 00:28:21,360
do you wonder i mean do you wonder what

750
00:28:24,549 --> 00:28:22,720
the heck is going on i mean have you

751
00:28:25,909 --> 00:28:24,559
thought about is it coming from yourself

752
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:25,919
is it coming from

753
00:28:28,870 --> 00:28:27,840
being taken and they're they're just

754
00:28:30,389 --> 00:28:28,880
they're just

755
00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:30,399
they're not careful and they're bumping

756
00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:31,679
you into something

757
00:28:35,990 --> 00:28:33,760
have you what is your like your

758
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:36,000
your leading hypothesis on on how this

759
00:28:38,870 --> 00:28:38,080
is happening why that's happening to you

760
00:28:39,830 --> 00:28:38,880
yeah

761
00:28:40,950 --> 00:28:39,840
um

762
00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:40,960
well

763
00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:43,440
i know that it happens excuse me i know

764
00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:44,480
that it happens with a lot of

765
00:28:50,549 --> 00:28:48,080
experiences um so i know that it's part

766
00:28:53,029 --> 00:28:50,559
of the phenomenon um

767
00:28:55,590 --> 00:28:53,039
and yeah i've often wondered i mean you

768
00:28:56,630 --> 00:28:55,600
know are they doing medical stuff or is

769
00:28:58,630 --> 00:28:56,640
it just

770
00:29:01,510 --> 00:28:58,640
there are they just side effects or

771
00:29:02,950 --> 00:29:01,520
something that you know that then

772
00:29:05,590 --> 00:29:02,960
there's nothing particular about them

773
00:29:07,590 --> 00:29:05,600
that just happened um yeah it's a real

774
00:29:08,789 --> 00:29:07,600
mystery um

775
00:29:11,190 --> 00:29:08,799
yeah i don't know

776
00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:11,200
i don't really know what's causing it

777
00:29:15,430 --> 00:29:13,760
yeah you've had i'm gonna since i'm on

778
00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:15,440
pictures can you describe what's

779
00:29:18,950 --> 00:29:16,799
happening with

780
00:29:19,750 --> 00:29:18,960
the yellow fluorescent stains

781
00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:19,760
yeah

782
00:29:24,630 --> 00:29:22,960
and that's happened a few times um

783
00:29:27,110 --> 00:29:24,640
like i'll find these um yellow

784
00:29:29,430 --> 00:29:27,120
fluorescent stains like on my bedding

785
00:29:31,029 --> 00:29:29,440
um and sometimes

786
00:29:33,669 --> 00:29:31,039
on my hands

787
00:29:34,630 --> 00:29:33,679
um and sometimes i get a puncture mark

788
00:29:37,190 --> 00:29:34,640
in my

789
00:29:39,510 --> 00:29:37,200
thumb pads and it's

790
00:29:41,269 --> 00:29:39,520
seeping out this yellow fluid which i

791
00:29:44,070 --> 00:29:41,279
think is the same stuff

792
00:29:47,430 --> 00:29:44,080
um and that photo there

793
00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:47,440
um that was um when i was in this house

794
00:29:50,950 --> 00:29:49,840
and we just woke up and it was on the do

795
00:29:53,110 --> 00:29:50,960
they cover

796
00:29:55,909 --> 00:29:53,120
um and then my husband and i looked at

797
00:29:58,630 --> 00:29:55,919
it with a black light and it was

798
00:30:01,110 --> 00:29:58,640
fluorescing a little bit

799
00:30:03,029 --> 00:30:01,120
and it started to evaporate

800
00:30:04,230 --> 00:30:03,039
sort of several hours later we looked at

801
00:30:06,789 --> 00:30:04,240
it again

802
00:30:08,549 --> 00:30:06,799
it had started to evaporate

803
00:30:11,190 --> 00:30:08,559
so whatever it is it's

804
00:30:13,430 --> 00:30:11,200
something that that gradually evaporates

805
00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:13,440
but yeah i mean it's just

806
00:30:19,990 --> 00:30:16,720
um i actually talked to jacobs about

807
00:30:21,669 --> 00:30:20,000
these young stains and he said that he's

808
00:30:22,389 --> 00:30:21,679
got a lot he had a lot of them sent to

809
00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:22,399
him

810
00:30:27,350 --> 00:30:24,720
um and he actually had them analyzed at

811
00:30:29,830 --> 00:30:27,360
a lab and they couldn't identify what

812
00:30:31,750 --> 00:30:29,840
the substance was like they ruled out

813
00:30:33,990 --> 00:30:31,760
things like iodine and

814
00:30:36,389 --> 00:30:34,000
various other things i think tea and

815
00:30:38,870 --> 00:30:36,399
coffee or whatever it was but he said

816
00:30:41,350 --> 00:30:38,880
yeah they they couldn't identify what it

817
00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:41,360
was but yeah

818
00:30:45,190 --> 00:30:43,200
it's really odd um

819
00:30:46,630 --> 00:30:45,200
you you've had a lot of experiences the

820
00:30:48,549 --> 00:30:46,640
thing that comes up

821
00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:48,559
a lot is

822
00:30:51,990 --> 00:30:50,480
creatures that are gray i mean it

823
00:30:54,870 --> 00:30:52,000
happens i'm reading your stories and

824
00:30:57,510 --> 00:30:54,880
it's like gray gray grey gray so

825
00:30:59,830 --> 00:30:57,520
but you also you also

826
00:31:03,029 --> 00:30:59,840
have experiences where you felt drugged

827
00:31:05,590 --> 00:31:03,039
and you've had human military people

828
00:31:07,029 --> 00:31:05,600
involved what do you think do you think

829
00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:07,039
there are humans involved in your

830
00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:08,480
experiences do you think whatever this

831
00:31:11,990 --> 00:31:10,799
is is making you see humans for whatever

832
00:31:13,909 --> 00:31:12,000
reason

833
00:31:16,070 --> 00:31:13,919
obviously there's no way to know but i

834
00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:16,080
mean that's not uncommon if you if you

835
00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:18,480
listen to carla turner was an amazing

836
00:31:22,149 --> 00:31:20,159
researcher you know she talked about my

837
00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:22,159
labs back then and my labs are really

838
00:31:27,029 --> 00:31:24,480
controversial in the field outside the

839
00:31:28,950 --> 00:31:27,039
field of course so what do you think do

840
00:31:30,549 --> 00:31:28,960
you have any hypothesis what's going on

841
00:31:32,070 --> 00:31:30,559
with you as far as humans versus

842
00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:32,080
non-humans

843
00:31:35,110 --> 00:31:33,840
um yeah i mean it's something i've

844
00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:35,120
thought about

845
00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:37,679
um something i've um

846
00:31:41,110 --> 00:31:39,440
definitely thought about

847
00:31:43,350 --> 00:31:41,120
um

848
00:31:45,430 --> 00:31:43,360
i don't know like

849
00:31:47,590 --> 00:31:45,440
because i'm i have quite an agnostic

850
00:31:51,190 --> 00:31:47,600
kind of approach to it i don't know

851
00:31:53,190 --> 00:31:51,200
whether what i'm seeing is

852
00:31:55,190 --> 00:31:53,200
exactly what's there or whether it my

853
00:31:56,149 --> 00:31:55,200
brain is interpreting it because my

854
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:56,159
brain

855
00:32:00,630 --> 00:31:58,320
is interpreting it you know from a human

856
00:32:02,549 --> 00:32:00,640
perspective or whether something has

857
00:32:04,389 --> 00:32:02,559
been presented to me in a way that i can

858
00:32:06,310 --> 00:32:04,399
understand

859
00:32:07,590 --> 00:32:06,320
so i don't know

860
00:32:09,509 --> 00:32:07,600
whether

861
00:32:12,230 --> 00:32:09,519
those beings really look the way they

862
00:32:15,029 --> 00:32:12,240
are or whether those people are people

863
00:32:15,990 --> 00:32:15,039
or something else

864
00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:16,000
and

865
00:32:21,669 --> 00:32:18,720
i have a bit of a resistance to

866
00:32:24,149 --> 00:32:21,679
i don't think too much about the sort of

867
00:32:26,830 --> 00:32:24,159
my lab military angle because i don't

868
00:32:29,350 --> 00:32:26,840
want to become paranoid

869
00:32:31,350 --> 00:32:29,360
um and

870
00:32:33,509 --> 00:32:31,360
yeah so i just

871
00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:33,519
in a way that's one area where i kind of

872
00:32:38,070 --> 00:32:35,440
censor myself a bit like i won't really

873
00:32:39,350 --> 00:32:38,080
let myself go down that path because i

874
00:32:41,350 --> 00:32:39,360
know that there would be absolutely no

875
00:32:43,509 --> 00:32:41,360
way i could ever know for sure i could

876
00:32:47,590 --> 00:32:43,519
never verify anything

877
00:32:49,990 --> 00:32:47,600
but i i've seen people become

878
00:32:53,029 --> 00:32:50,000
possibly paranoid and i don't want to go

879
00:32:55,350 --> 00:32:53,039
that route so i just stay with

880
00:32:57,190 --> 00:32:55,360
my own way of dealing with it which is

881
00:32:59,029 --> 00:32:57,200
we don't know what it is

882
00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:59,039
it could be what i'm looking at it could

883
00:33:02,789 --> 00:33:00,960
be something i'm interpreting that i

884
00:33:04,389 --> 00:33:02,799
can't understand or it could be

885
00:33:07,269 --> 00:33:04,399
something that's being presented to me

886
00:33:10,310 --> 00:33:07,279
in that way and maybe there is maybe

887
00:33:12,149 --> 00:33:10,320
there are some humans involved and some

888
00:33:13,269 --> 00:33:12,159
you know things are happening

889
00:33:16,549 --> 00:33:13,279
um

890
00:33:17,590 --> 00:33:16,559
but yeah i thought about it not too much

891
00:33:20,389 --> 00:33:17,600
yeah and that's what i was talking about

892
00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:20,399
earlier with with dr gary nolan saying

893
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:22,720
it's possible that whatever this is can

894
00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:24,720
make us see whatever it wants so you

895
00:33:28,710 --> 00:33:26,240
can't really trust

896
00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:28,720
if you're reporting seeing humans there

897
00:33:32,470 --> 00:33:30,240
may not be humans there if you're

898
00:33:34,389 --> 00:33:32,480
reporting seeing grays there may not be

899
00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:34,399
grays there well for whatever reason it

900
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:35,840
may be

901
00:33:39,430 --> 00:33:37,679
i don't want to say expressing itself

902
00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:39,440
like that but presenting itself like

903
00:33:42,870 --> 00:33:41,440
that and like you said there's really no

904
00:33:44,789 --> 00:33:42,880
way to know i don't know if we'll ever

905
00:33:46,470 --> 00:33:44,799
be able to know um

906
00:33:47,669 --> 00:33:46,480
there was one experience in your book

907
00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:47,679
where you talked about i don't know if

908
00:33:50,950 --> 00:33:49,679
it was your dad seeing a star-like

909
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:50,960
star-like

910
00:33:55,750 --> 00:33:53,440
object in the room which is interesting

911
00:33:57,509 --> 00:33:55,760
because gary nolan another case he'd

912
00:33:59,110 --> 00:33:57,519
worked on or at least jacques valet

913
00:34:01,350 --> 00:33:59,120
worked on in france

914
00:34:02,549 --> 00:34:01,360
these two young women young girls were

915
00:34:04,789 --> 00:34:02,559
in the back seat their mother was

916
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:04,799
driving and they saw a craft

917
00:34:08,950 --> 00:34:06,480
they took a picture of it up through the

918
00:34:10,389 --> 00:34:08,960
uh sky roof uh sunroof

919
00:34:12,869 --> 00:34:10,399
and when they took it home when they saw

920
00:34:15,990 --> 00:34:12,879
the picture it was a star-like object it

921
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:16,000
was not the craft which suggests

922
00:34:19,669 --> 00:34:17,760
that whatever that was is making them

923
00:34:21,589 --> 00:34:19,679
see a craft but the real form is not a

924
00:34:23,829 --> 00:34:21,599
craft now if there's something here that

925
00:34:25,990 --> 00:34:23,839
can do that emma we're kind of screwed i

926
00:34:26,790 --> 00:34:26,000
don't know how you combat that

927
00:34:28,069 --> 00:34:26,800
yeah

928
00:34:29,589 --> 00:34:28,079
you know

929
00:34:30,710 --> 00:34:29,599
i don't really and i don't really have a

930
00:34:32,230 --> 00:34:30,720
question there but if you have any

931
00:34:35,909 --> 00:34:32,240
thoughts on that

932
00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:35,919
yeah i mean i've often um yeah i mean

933
00:34:40,550 --> 00:34:38,560
that's why you can't trust it

934
00:34:42,149 --> 00:34:40,560
it actually reminds me of an experience

935
00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:42,159
i had that which i didn't put in the

936
00:34:48,389 --> 00:34:44,800
book um but i was

937
00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:48,399
in my old apartment um and for some

938
00:34:52,470 --> 00:34:50,399
reason i just

939
00:34:53,430 --> 00:34:52,480
felt that i should take a photo of the

940
00:34:55,589 --> 00:34:53,440
sky

941
00:34:57,750 --> 00:34:55,599
so i got my camera and i took a photo of

942
00:35:00,150 --> 00:34:57,760
the sky and there was nothing there

943
00:35:02,910 --> 00:35:00,160
um and then when the

944
00:35:06,630 --> 00:35:02,920
photos were developed um there was this

945
00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:06,640
extremely bright light in the sky

946
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:10,240
where i had you know taken the photo um

947
00:35:15,829 --> 00:35:13,200
and then i wondered whether it was

948
00:35:17,510 --> 00:35:15,839
um you know a light leak or something

949
00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:17,520
like that so i took it

950
00:35:22,069 --> 00:35:19,680
to a camera shop and they said it didn't

951
00:35:23,910 --> 00:35:22,079
look like a light leak to them and then

952
00:35:26,230 --> 00:35:23,920
they looked at the negative

953
00:35:28,630 --> 00:35:26,240
um and then they showed me and they said

954
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:28,640
that the silver grains or something in

955
00:35:32,390 --> 00:35:30,640
the negative whatever it was was so

956
00:35:35,030 --> 00:35:32,400
bright it had caused them to bleed

957
00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:35,040
outside the negative um whether that

958
00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:36,640
would happen with a light lick as well i

959
00:35:42,310 --> 00:35:40,160
don't know but um yeah so

960
00:35:44,950 --> 00:35:42,320
um but i didn't see anything in the sky

961
00:35:47,190 --> 00:35:44,960
when i took the photo i just

962
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:47,200
yeah so

963
00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:48,720
can you hear me okay

964
00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:51,119
yeah can you hear me i can hear you fine

965
00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:53,280
my picture has frozen up which is fine

966
00:35:56,870 --> 00:35:55,440
people don't need to see me um

967
00:35:59,510 --> 00:35:56,880
thanks for sharing that story that was

968
00:36:01,430 --> 00:35:59,520
not in your book and i want to ask you

969
00:36:03,670 --> 00:36:01,440
oh yeah so you said that you don't you

970
00:36:05,109 --> 00:36:03,680
don't buy into the jacobs theory

971
00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:05,119
just explain for people who don't know

972
00:36:09,510 --> 00:36:07,440
his theory it's about basically hybrids

973
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:09,520
here right and they're they're here

974
00:36:14,310 --> 00:36:12,480
doing their work for whoever

975
00:36:15,670 --> 00:36:14,320
is it in the work of the greys who are

976
00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:15,680
going to take over this planet and the

977
00:36:19,430 --> 00:36:17,760
hybrids are going to be in control can

978
00:36:22,470 --> 00:36:19,440
you explain just basically how you

979
00:36:25,990 --> 00:36:22,480
understand his theory just real quick

980
00:36:27,030 --> 00:36:26,000
yeah well his theory is is that they are

981
00:36:28,710 --> 00:36:27,040
um

982
00:36:30,390 --> 00:36:28,720
they have a breeding program where

983
00:36:32,550 --> 00:36:30,400
they're taking dna from humans and

984
00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:32,560
blending it with alien dna and creating

985
00:36:35,670 --> 00:36:34,720
hybrids and that the hybrids are

986
00:36:38,790 --> 00:36:35,680
becoming

987
00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:38,800
more and more and more human-like um and

988
00:36:42,790 --> 00:36:41,280
that they're now integrating hybrids so

989
00:36:44,710 --> 00:36:42,800
that they live in the

990
00:36:47,030 --> 00:36:44,720
in the world with humans

991
00:36:48,550 --> 00:36:47,040
um that we won't know that they're

992
00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:48,560
hybrids because they look

993
00:36:54,470 --> 00:36:52,320
like humans and that experiences are

994
00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:54,480
teaching hybrids how to live in the

995
00:36:59,349 --> 00:36:57,119
world as humans so that's basically his

996
00:37:00,950 --> 00:36:59,359
theory in a nutshell okay

997
00:37:02,310 --> 00:37:00,960
thank you for sharing yeah thank you for

998
00:37:05,349 --> 00:37:02,320
sharing that um

999
00:37:08,310 --> 00:37:05,359
i want to talk about something that

1000
00:37:11,430 --> 00:37:08,320
you write about and if you could explain

1001
00:37:13,510 --> 00:37:11,440
the story starting out with mr a

1002
00:37:15,190 --> 00:37:13,520
and cynthia hind i'm not sure if i'm

1003
00:37:16,470 --> 00:37:15,200
saying her name right

1004
00:37:18,150 --> 00:37:16,480
talk about that story because i know a

1005
00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:18,160
lot of people in the ufo community

1006
00:37:21,670 --> 00:37:20,160
including me had never heard it and it's

1007
00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:21,680
really interesting

1008
00:37:24,790 --> 00:37:23,520
yeah um

1009
00:37:26,310 --> 00:37:24,800
well

1010
00:37:27,670 --> 00:37:26,320
somebody who was

1011
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:27,680
um

1012
00:37:31,670 --> 00:37:30,480
quite active in the ufo field in a kind

1013
00:37:36,310 --> 00:37:31,680
of

1014
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:36,320
but somebody who was quite active in the

1015
00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:38,640
ufo field had a lot of contacts and so

1016
00:37:41,109 --> 00:37:40,000
on so forth

1017
00:37:44,150 --> 00:37:41,119
he

1018
00:37:47,910 --> 00:37:44,160
offered to send me um

1019
00:37:50,790 --> 00:37:47,920
his ufo books and papers before he died

1020
00:37:52,790 --> 00:37:50,800
um so he sent me over this t-chest and

1021
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:52,800
it was full of books and and

1022
00:37:58,310 --> 00:37:55,680
you know mountains of paper um and then

1023
00:37:59,109 --> 00:37:58,320
i sort of gradually went through it all

1024
00:38:02,310 --> 00:37:59,119
um

1025
00:38:05,670 --> 00:38:02,320
and i came across this letter that he

1026
00:38:09,430 --> 00:38:05,680
had written to cynthia hind who is was a

1027
00:38:10,870 --> 00:38:09,440
ufo researcher in zimbabwe in africa and

1028
00:38:13,270 --> 00:38:10,880
she was actually what the first

1029
00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:13,280
researcher i think to investigate the

1030
00:38:15,829 --> 00:38:14,640
aerial school

1031
00:38:18,150 --> 00:38:15,839
case

1032
00:38:19,510 --> 00:38:18,160
and then she brought in john mack or he

1033
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:19,520
came in and they

1034
00:38:25,349 --> 00:38:22,320
worked on that together but um

1035
00:38:27,990 --> 00:38:25,359
she uh he had sent her this letter and

1036
00:38:33,349 --> 00:38:28,000
then she had got cancer and before she

1037
00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:33,359
died she sent his letter back to him um

1038
00:38:37,750 --> 00:38:35,200
because she was sorting out all her

1039
00:38:39,829 --> 00:38:37,760
papers before she passed away um and

1040
00:38:41,829 --> 00:38:39,839
then he put his letter that he'd written

1041
00:38:45,750 --> 00:38:41,839
to her in with the stuff that he sent to

1042
00:38:46,870 --> 00:38:45,760
me so that's how i got it um and in the

1043
00:38:50,790 --> 00:38:46,880
letter

1044
00:38:53,910 --> 00:38:50,800
he was telling her about how

1045
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:53,920
he received a job offer from nasa

1046
00:38:57,510 --> 00:38:55,200
to

1047
00:38:59,829 --> 00:38:57,520
help another person

1048
00:39:01,349 --> 00:38:59,839
interpret the aliens language

1049
00:39:04,550 --> 00:39:01,359
and i don't know whether that's true or

1050
00:39:06,470 --> 00:39:04,560
not um and i don't know whether he was

1051
00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:06,480
trying to

1052
00:39:10,470 --> 00:39:08,640
you know put some disinformation into

1053
00:39:12,069 --> 00:39:10,480
the field and and he was trying to do it

1054
00:39:13,910 --> 00:39:12,079
through her and

1055
00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:13,920
um or where and then whether he was

1056
00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:16,320
trying to do it through me by sending me

1057
00:39:21,349 --> 00:39:18,880
that letter in with his papers um or

1058
00:39:22,150 --> 00:39:21,359
whether it's true i don't know

1059
00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:22,160
um

1060
00:39:25,510 --> 00:39:23,280
and then

1061
00:39:28,310 --> 00:39:25,520
he had in the letter he said the name of

1062
00:39:31,829 --> 00:39:28,320
the other person um and so i've done a

1063
00:39:34,470 --> 00:39:31,839
little bit of research on that person

1064
00:39:35,589 --> 00:39:34,480
and sit after the book came out my book

1065
00:39:37,670 --> 00:39:35,599
came out

1066
00:39:39,109 --> 00:39:37,680
so it's not in the book but i actually

1067
00:39:42,790 --> 00:39:39,119
found some

1068
00:39:45,430 --> 00:39:42,800
a person with that name who has

1069
00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:45,440
done some um

1070
00:39:50,870 --> 00:39:48,000
research that nasa probably would be

1071
00:39:53,829 --> 00:39:50,880
interested in and would have the kind of

1072
00:39:54,630 --> 00:39:53,839
background that could be useful for that

1073
00:39:57,510 --> 00:39:54,640
um

1074
00:39:59,589 --> 00:39:57,520
and so i don't know i i don't know what

1075
00:40:01,510 --> 00:39:59,599
to think about it so i just thought i'd

1076
00:40:02,710 --> 00:40:01,520
put it in the book because it's

1077
00:40:04,790 --> 00:40:02,720
something that might come out in the

1078
00:40:07,670 --> 00:40:04,800
future or it might be interesting to

1079
00:40:09,750 --> 00:40:07,680
someone else who knows about it uh but

1080
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:09,760
if anybody knows anything about it i'd

1081
00:40:12,870 --> 00:40:10,800
love to

1082
00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:12,880
to hear it hear about it

1083
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:14,880
yeah and it's and as far as as far as

1084
00:40:23,030 --> 00:40:18,720
you know he was offered a job mr a

1085
00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:23,040
to analyze alien language with mr r who

1086
00:40:27,430 --> 00:40:25,680
worked for nasa but it didn't happen as

1087
00:40:28,950 --> 00:40:27,440
far as you know that that never happened

1088
00:40:30,630 --> 00:40:28,960
he was just offered the job but he never

1089
00:40:32,230 --> 00:40:30,640
got the chance to do it

1090
00:40:34,150 --> 00:40:32,240
um i don't know

1091
00:40:36,069 --> 00:40:34,160
no idea because he never he never talked

1092
00:40:38,550 --> 00:40:36,079
to me about it himself and i don't know

1093
00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:38,560
anything else apart from that letter

1094
00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:40,480
that he wrote i mean he could have done

1095
00:40:46,069 --> 00:40:44,480
it um or i honestly don't know he also

1096
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:46,079
claims that he was shown aliens they

1097
00:40:51,190 --> 00:40:48,000
have in an underground base

1098
00:40:53,430 --> 00:40:51,200
yeah i think he said that mr r was shown

1099
00:40:54,630 --> 00:40:53,440
an alien that they had

1100
00:40:56,150 --> 00:40:54,640
um

1101
00:40:58,069 --> 00:40:56,160
yeah so

1102
00:40:59,910 --> 00:40:58,079
yeah that would be yeah and there's

1103
00:41:02,390 --> 00:40:59,920
various stories like that out there did

1104
00:41:05,349 --> 00:41:02,400
you ever talk to mr a

1105
00:41:08,309 --> 00:41:05,359
um yeah i i i was in communication with

1106
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:10,870
some of the things that he said

1107
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:12,960
sometimes made me wonder whether he

1108
00:41:17,589 --> 00:41:14,400
might be

1109
00:41:19,589 --> 00:41:17,599
um in an intelligence agency

1110
00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:19,599
nothing over but just some of the things

1111
00:41:22,630 --> 00:41:20,560
he said

1112
00:41:24,150 --> 00:41:22,640
had made me wonder about that but i mean

1113
00:41:25,270 --> 00:41:24,160
he never said that he was or anything

1114
00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:25,280
like that

1115
00:41:30,470 --> 00:41:28,240
so i don't know yeah

1116
00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:30,480
and and you focus on

1117
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:33,680
various surveys which one of them really

1118
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:35,280
is interesting to me because you're

1119
00:41:39,750 --> 00:41:37,440
talking about how experiences have

1120
00:41:41,990 --> 00:41:39,760
related phenomena um

1121
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:42,000
including you talk about hopkins book

1122
00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:45,440
including seeing hooded figures and

1123
00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:48,400
you know jim semivam the former cia spy

1124
00:41:52,309 --> 00:41:50,640
um he had he had a hooded figure come

1125
00:41:54,069 --> 00:41:52,319
into his room walked through the wall

1126
00:41:56,550 --> 00:41:54,079
and at that same time one of his friends

1127
00:41:58,710 --> 00:41:56,560
down in florida had died that may have

1128
00:42:01,750 --> 00:41:58,720
may have been his friend who knows um

1129
00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:01,760
the timing was interesting i have i have

1130
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:04,480
a my first ex-wife she and i have two

1131
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:06,000
not seven

1132
00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:09,839
my first ex-wife she would have this

1133
00:42:14,550 --> 00:42:12,960
man in black stand over her bed from her

1134
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:14,560
all throughout her childhood you could

1135
00:42:19,990 --> 00:42:17,040
not see his face wearing a black hat

1136
00:42:21,750 --> 00:42:20,000
like a black trench coat type of thing

1137
00:42:24,230 --> 00:42:21,760
um it's really common so can you just

1138
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:24,240
talk about how when you first realized

1139
00:42:29,430 --> 00:42:26,000
yeah related phenomena like that are

1140
00:42:31,510 --> 00:42:29,440
part of the experience or um

1141
00:42:32,710 --> 00:42:31,520
part of basically a lot of experiences

1142
00:42:34,230 --> 00:42:32,720
have that happen

1143
00:42:35,109 --> 00:42:34,240
in their lives

1144
00:42:41,670 --> 00:42:35,119
yeah

1145
00:42:45,109 --> 00:42:41,680
i have a chapter in the book about

1146
00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:45,119
um some surveys that were done on

1147
00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:47,680
experience surveys about anomalous

1148
00:42:51,670 --> 00:42:50,400
experiences um and

1149
00:42:53,190 --> 00:42:51,680
yeah i think

1150
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:53,200
one of the things that came out of it i

1151
00:42:58,390 --> 00:42:56,640
think was how varied the experiences are

1152
00:43:00,470 --> 00:42:58,400
and it's not just

1153
00:43:02,870 --> 00:43:00,480
um alien abduction type experiences it's

1154
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:02,880
the whole sort of paranormal world but

1155
00:43:07,750 --> 00:43:05,440
also you can sort of see

1156
00:43:09,030 --> 00:43:07,760
that there is a kind of commonality to

1157
00:43:10,550 --> 00:43:09,040
them as well

1158
00:43:13,030 --> 00:43:10,560
um

1159
00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:13,040
and i found that interesting it it it

1160
00:43:18,069 --> 00:43:15,520
spoke to me i think just saying that

1161
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:18,079
yeah paranormal experiences are very

1162
00:43:22,630 --> 00:43:20,880
much part of the alien abduction

1163
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:22,640
experience and

1164
00:43:25,349 --> 00:43:24,480
they seem to be linked

1165
00:43:27,750 --> 00:43:25,359
um

1166
00:43:28,630 --> 00:43:27,760
and

1167
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:28,640
yeah

1168
00:43:32,790 --> 00:43:30,720
um that it's it's

1169
00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:32,800
a very strange phenomenon it's something

1170
00:43:37,910 --> 00:43:35,040
that we we really don't understand at

1171
00:43:42,150 --> 00:43:37,920
this point um they seem to be you know

1172
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:45,109
reality is definitely you know

1173
00:43:48,550 --> 00:43:47,040
not the way our culture currently

1174
00:43:50,790 --> 00:43:48,560
understands it which is not surprising

1175
00:43:53,910 --> 00:43:50,800
because we're very early on in the human

1176
00:43:55,829 --> 00:43:53,920
timeline so we know very little um and

1177
00:43:57,270 --> 00:43:55,839
that's partly why

1178
00:43:58,710 --> 00:43:57,280
i think anonymous experiences are

1179
00:44:01,510 --> 00:43:58,720
interesting because they're like a

1180
00:44:02,790 --> 00:44:01,520
window into things we've yet to learn

1181
00:44:04,390 --> 00:44:02,800
about

1182
00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:04,400
which is interesting

1183
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:05,520
but yeah there's definitely

1184
00:44:09,750 --> 00:44:08,640
commonalities and also a very wide

1185
00:44:13,829 --> 00:44:09,760
um

1186
00:44:15,430 --> 00:44:13,839
array of types of experiences as well

1187
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:15,440
and then yeah and you you hit on it

1188
00:44:19,990 --> 00:44:17,520
right there reality is so much different

1189
00:44:21,589 --> 00:44:20,000
than we realized that i think

1190
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:21,599
you know people talk about well will

1191
00:44:24,390 --> 00:44:22,400
people

1192
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:24,400
will the mainstream scientists will the

1193
00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:26,880
mainstream masses be able to hear handle

1194
00:44:30,870 --> 00:44:28,640
the fact that we're not alone but i

1195
00:44:33,190 --> 00:44:30,880
think the bigger question is

1196
00:44:35,430 --> 00:44:33,200
will people be able to handle that

1197
00:44:37,829 --> 00:44:35,440
reality is so different than what we

1198
00:44:41,109 --> 00:44:37,839
realized as far as my opinion what you

1199
00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:41,119
just said i think that's the case um

1200
00:44:43,670 --> 00:44:42,480
i don't know if people will be able to

1201
00:44:45,190 --> 00:44:43,680
handle it to tell you the truth my

1202
00:44:47,109 --> 00:44:45,200
family doesn't want to talk about it my

1203
00:44:48,790 --> 00:44:47,119
friends occasionally they'll talk about

1204
00:44:51,510 --> 00:44:48,800
it um

1205
00:44:53,910 --> 00:44:51,520
how do you feel about the the events

1206
00:44:55,349 --> 00:44:53,920
that have happened since 2017 because

1207
00:44:57,910 --> 00:44:55,359
more people are speaking about it we're

1208
00:44:59,910 --> 00:44:57,920
seeing media a ton of media it's not as

1209
00:45:01,349 --> 00:44:59,920
much as i would expect when we have in

1210
00:45:03,349 --> 00:45:01,359
our country we have

1211
00:45:05,270 --> 00:45:03,359
our senate you know they put language

1212
00:45:06,950 --> 00:45:05,280
the congress has put language

1213
00:45:09,030 --> 00:45:06,960
dealing with ufos and dealing with

1214
00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:09,040
whistleblowers so they can come forward

1215
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:11,119
and the media response has been very

1216
00:45:16,710 --> 00:45:14,400
muted so how do you feel overall about

1217
00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:16,720
the progress we've made since 2017

1218
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:18,160
because a lot of people there are people

1219
00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:19,599
who don't think we felt we've made

1220
00:45:22,630 --> 00:45:20,880
progress and there are other people who

1221
00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:22,640
are like ah we've been there done that

1222
00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:24,400
so how do you feel about it

1223
00:45:27,829 --> 00:45:25,440
um

1224
00:45:28,630 --> 00:45:27,839
i think it's two steps forward one step

1225
00:45:30,150 --> 00:45:28,640
back

1226
00:45:32,550 --> 00:45:30,160
um

1227
00:45:35,030 --> 00:45:32,560
yeah i think

1228
00:45:35,990 --> 00:45:35,040
um it's interesting that

1229
00:45:37,829 --> 00:45:36,000
i've been

1230
00:45:40,950 --> 00:45:37,839
sort of following what's been happening

1231
00:45:43,349 --> 00:45:40,960
in the us with you know sort of

1232
00:45:46,230 --> 00:45:43,359
releasing some videos and and of course

1233
00:45:48,870 --> 00:45:46,240
all the controversy that's around that i

1234
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:48,880
don't know a lot about it um

1235
00:45:53,349 --> 00:45:50,400
i did read

1236
00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:53,359
the pentagon report i think i think what

1237
00:45:57,589 --> 00:45:56,400
my my take when i read it was

1238
00:46:02,870 --> 00:45:57,599
that

1239
00:46:05,670 --> 00:46:02,880
they don't fully understand and they

1240
00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:05,680
need data to understand them but they're

1241
00:46:09,589 --> 00:46:07,920
being hampered

1242
00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:09,599
in collecting that data because there's

1243
00:46:13,670 --> 00:46:11,680
so much stigma in the ufo field that

1244
00:46:15,630 --> 00:46:13,680
people are reluctant to report what

1245
00:46:17,430 --> 00:46:15,640
they've seen and so they're trying to

1246
00:46:19,190 --> 00:46:17,440
destigmatize it

1247
00:46:22,069 --> 00:46:19,200
um

1248
00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:22,079
and that's the way that they will try

1249
00:46:25,430 --> 00:46:23,680
and encourage people to report what

1250
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:25,440
they've seen so that they can then study

1251
00:46:30,069 --> 00:46:27,599
them and figure out what they are that

1252
00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:30,079
was my kind of understanding of it from

1253
00:46:34,390 --> 00:46:32,240
the report um

1254
00:46:37,510 --> 00:46:34,400
but i think any discussion really is

1255
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:37,520
helpful um because there's always going

1256
00:46:40,870 --> 00:46:38,560
to be

1257
00:46:43,109 --> 00:46:40,880
controversy and fight back and so on and

1258
00:46:44,710 --> 00:46:43,119
so forth but at the end of the day

1259
00:46:47,349 --> 00:46:44,720
i mean

1260
00:46:49,750 --> 00:46:47,359
people see ufos all the time and there

1261
00:46:51,670 --> 00:46:49,760
must be you know it's something that we

1262
00:46:52,550 --> 00:46:51,680
don't understand and

1263
00:46:55,270 --> 00:46:52,560
um

1264
00:46:57,430 --> 00:46:55,280
eventually hopefully it means that

1265
00:46:58,950 --> 00:46:57,440
it will lead to studies where we start

1266
00:47:01,670 --> 00:46:58,960
to understand a bit more about what's

1267
00:47:03,510 --> 00:47:01,680
going on so i see it as quite a positive

1268
00:47:04,470 --> 00:47:03,520
step

1269
00:47:06,230 --> 00:47:04,480
although

1270
00:47:08,309 --> 00:47:06,240
anything to do with intelligence

1271
00:47:10,230 --> 00:47:08,319
agencies i'm always careful you know

1272
00:47:11,670 --> 00:47:10,240
that they might be doing something else

1273
00:47:14,309 --> 00:47:11,680
and it's a cover for something else and

1274
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:14,319
always keep that in mind but yeah i

1275
00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:16,079
think it's it's it's

1276
00:47:21,190 --> 00:47:18,720
a good step forward but obviously

1277
00:47:22,870 --> 00:47:21,200
controversial yeah you see that and

1278
00:47:25,190 --> 00:47:22,880
think to yourself you know what if this

1279
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:25,200
is finally accepted as reality and

1280
00:47:29,349 --> 00:47:27,359
people the masses accept that there's

1281
00:47:31,829 --> 00:47:29,359
something something we don't know what

1282
00:47:33,990 --> 00:47:31,839
it is anomalous here then i could say

1283
00:47:36,550 --> 00:47:34,000
you see i've been telling you about my

1284
00:47:38,790 --> 00:47:36,560
anomalous experiences my entire life now

1285
00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:38,800
you can see i wasn't lying is there a

1286
00:47:42,309 --> 00:47:41,040
part of you that would just love i mean

1287
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:42,319
i'm sure you would love for it to happen

1288
00:47:46,069 --> 00:47:44,240
but do you think of that like the future

1289
00:47:46,950 --> 00:47:46,079
maybe that'll happen

1290
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:46,960
um

1291
00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:52,480
a lot of hope in my lifetime

1292
00:47:55,030 --> 00:47:53,280
um

1293
00:47:56,550 --> 00:47:55,040
yeah

1294
00:47:57,990 --> 00:47:56,560
maybe

1295
00:48:00,550 --> 00:47:58,000
the same way i'm the same way i'm

1296
00:48:02,550 --> 00:48:00,560
excited about it i but then i come back

1297
00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:02,560
down to reality and i see the pushback

1298
00:48:05,430 --> 00:48:04,000
that's going on and

1299
00:48:06,550 --> 00:48:05,440
i don't know i don't know if things will

1300
00:48:08,230 --> 00:48:06,560
happen i don't know if it'll happen in

1301
00:48:10,230 --> 00:48:08,240
my lifetime i don't know if it'll happen

1302
00:48:12,630 --> 00:48:10,240
at all i mean it'll happen one day i

1303
00:48:13,829 --> 00:48:12,640
would hope in our lifetimes it'll happen

1304
00:48:16,069 --> 00:48:13,839
um

1305
00:48:17,990 --> 00:48:16,079
but we'll see and another thing we

1306
00:48:19,270 --> 00:48:18,000
talked about online and various people

1307
00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:19,280
have talked about it it's really not

1308
00:48:22,390 --> 00:48:21,040
controversial to me but

1309
00:48:25,349 --> 00:48:22,400
in your opinion

1310
00:48:26,549 --> 00:48:25,359
can an experiencer who has had whatever

1311
00:48:28,630 --> 00:48:26,559
type of experience whether it's

1312
00:48:30,150 --> 00:48:28,640
abduction or or anything or something

1313
00:48:32,230 --> 00:48:30,160
comes in the house and

1314
00:48:34,150 --> 00:48:32,240
the experience is anomalous can they

1315
00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:34,160
realistically in your opinion call the

1316
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:35,280
police

1317
00:48:40,710 --> 00:48:38,240
um well no i wouldn't um

1318
00:48:44,390 --> 00:48:40,720
because

1319
00:48:46,390 --> 00:48:44,400
it's completely taboo in our society and

1320
00:48:49,270 --> 00:48:46,400
experiences are just on the fringe you

1321
00:48:51,270 --> 00:48:49,280
know we're marginalized and if you go

1322
00:48:53,829 --> 00:48:51,280
and call the police and say

1323
00:48:55,750 --> 00:48:53,839
x y z has happened they're just going to

1324
00:48:57,990 --> 00:48:55,760
think you're mad and they're not going

1325
00:49:01,190 --> 00:48:58,000
to help it's pointless and it's going to

1326
00:49:03,349 --> 00:49:01,200
cause more problems for you because

1327
00:49:06,390 --> 00:49:03,359
now you've got this label on on you on

1328
00:49:08,150 --> 00:49:06,400
top of of everything else um

1329
00:49:10,309 --> 00:49:08,160
and so i i would guess that most

1330
00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:10,319
experiences understand that you know

1331
00:49:15,430 --> 00:49:12,960
it's very marginalized and not accepted

1332
00:49:17,430 --> 00:49:15,440
and it's something that i don't see most

1333
00:49:20,790 --> 00:49:17,440
experiences ever doing i certainly

1334
00:49:21,750 --> 00:49:20,800
wouldn't do it um yeah i mean it's one

1335
00:49:24,309 --> 00:49:21,760
of the

1336
00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:24,319
situations i think where people end up

1337
00:49:27,750 --> 00:49:26,720
in ufology looking for answers and help

1338
00:49:29,670 --> 00:49:27,760
because

1339
00:49:32,470 --> 00:49:29,680
there aren't those avenues you know that

1340
00:49:34,150 --> 00:49:32,480
you can't do it um or if you did you

1341
00:49:35,829 --> 00:49:34,160
know you likely to

1342
00:49:37,750 --> 00:49:35,839
what can they do there's nothing they

1343
00:49:40,150 --> 00:49:37,760
can do even if they were sympathetic and

1344
00:49:42,549 --> 00:49:40,160
open-minded there's nothing they can do

1345
00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:42,559
um yeah so

1346
00:49:46,710 --> 00:49:44,480
well yeah in this in our country it's

1347
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:46,720
even difficult for rape

1348
00:49:50,790 --> 00:49:48,960
survivors to come forward because police

1349
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:50,800
don't believe them because

1350
00:49:54,950 --> 00:49:53,520
trauma causes such it's the reactions

1351
00:49:57,030 --> 00:49:54,960
from trauma which i've read about

1352
00:49:59,430 --> 00:49:57,040
because i did i did study rape cases

1353
00:50:01,270 --> 00:49:59,440
where there are there are survivors who

1354
00:50:02,870 --> 00:50:01,280
go to the police and they'll start

1355
00:50:05,109 --> 00:50:02,880
laughing as they tell their story and

1356
00:50:07,030 --> 00:50:05,119
the cops like the police officer is like

1357
00:50:08,790 --> 00:50:07,040
this is obviously not a serious case if

1358
00:50:11,109 --> 00:50:08,800
the person is laughing but that's just

1359
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:11,119
how trauma trauma affects people

1360
00:50:13,750 --> 00:50:12,880
differently so yeah

1361
00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:13,760
um

1362
00:50:17,510 --> 00:50:15,760
so how is your family now if you bring

1363
00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:17,520
this up do they want to talk to do they

1364
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:19,359
want to talk about it with you are they

1365
00:50:22,630 --> 00:50:21,280
interested in what's going on what about

1366
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:22,640
your husband

1367
00:50:27,750 --> 00:50:26,400
um my wilder family i don't talk about

1368
00:50:29,589 --> 00:50:27,760
it i mean

1369
00:50:31,270 --> 00:50:29,599
they know some of them know about it but

1370
00:50:33,910 --> 00:50:31,280
i don't we don't it's not a kind of

1371
00:50:35,270 --> 00:50:33,920
ongoing discussion uh my husband knows

1372
00:50:38,309 --> 00:50:35,280
about it because

1373
00:50:43,270 --> 00:50:38,319
um we live together and he's seen some

1374
00:50:44,630 --> 00:50:43,280
things um so he finds it interesting

1375
00:50:46,630 --> 00:50:44,640
but he's not

1376
00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:46,640
he's not he doesn't see himself as an

1377
00:50:49,910 --> 00:50:48,240
experiencer and

1378
00:50:52,390 --> 00:50:49,920
it's not something that

1379
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:52,400
you know he's particularly interested in

1380
00:50:57,190 --> 00:50:54,960
but he's come to understand by living

1381
00:50:59,430 --> 00:50:57,200
with me that there is something there

1382
00:51:00,630 --> 00:50:59,440
and he finds that interesting

1383
00:51:02,309 --> 00:51:00,640
um

1384
00:51:03,990 --> 00:51:02,319
yeah so

1385
00:51:05,750 --> 00:51:04,000
it's not something that i talk about

1386
00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:05,760
with people you know

1387
00:51:10,790 --> 00:51:08,640
regularly or anything like that but

1388
00:51:12,390 --> 00:51:10,800
yeah yeah so did he know

1389
00:51:14,470 --> 00:51:12,400
you guys met

1390
00:51:15,990 --> 00:51:14,480
before you before you are you married

1391
00:51:18,470 --> 00:51:16,000
yeah you're married obviously before

1392
00:51:20,230 --> 00:51:18,480
you're married did he know i mean before

1393
00:51:21,910 --> 00:51:20,240
you started dating when when in the

1394
00:51:23,829 --> 00:51:21,920
process did he realize that you were

1395
00:51:25,510 --> 00:51:23,839
having anomalous experiences and then

1396
00:51:28,470 --> 00:51:25,520
when did he have his first experience

1397
00:51:29,910 --> 00:51:28,480
and how what was his reaction to that

1398
00:51:31,349 --> 00:51:29,920
um

1399
00:51:34,829 --> 00:51:31,359
well

1400
00:51:36,390 --> 00:51:34,839
he started to see things very early on

1401
00:51:38,069 --> 00:51:36,400
um

1402
00:51:43,750 --> 00:51:38,079
so

1403
00:51:45,990 --> 00:51:43,760
gradually talked to him about

1404
00:51:47,990 --> 00:51:46,000
stuff that's happened in the past and

1405
00:51:50,950 --> 00:51:48,000
things like that and then you know he's

1406
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:50,960
just sort of over time seen things

1407
00:51:55,589 --> 00:51:52,800
himself

1408
00:52:00,549 --> 00:51:58,390
yeah it's it surprises him he's quite a

1409
00:52:01,829 --> 00:52:00,559
skeptical person he didn't have any

1410
00:52:03,109 --> 00:52:01,839
interest in

1411
00:52:04,549 --> 00:52:03,119
you know

1412
00:52:06,950 --> 00:52:04,559
in an abduction anything like that

1413
00:52:10,069 --> 00:52:06,960
before we met but

1414
00:52:12,069 --> 00:52:10,079
um he is quite an open-minded person um

1415
00:52:15,190 --> 00:52:12,079
but he's also sort of a fairly skeptical

1416
00:52:16,230 --> 00:52:15,200
person he's got a science background um

1417
00:52:18,309 --> 00:52:16,240
so

1418
00:52:20,950 --> 00:52:18,319
i think if he wasn't with me and he

1419
00:52:23,190 --> 00:52:20,960
hadn't seen things himself

1420
00:52:25,990 --> 00:52:23,200
well i mean he was just quite dismissive

1421
00:52:27,990 --> 00:52:26,000
of the whole thing but now he's

1422
00:52:31,990 --> 00:52:28,000
he sort of realized that yeah there is

1423
00:52:33,750 --> 00:52:32,000
something there um but he's he also has

1424
00:52:35,430 --> 00:52:33,760
a sort of a neutral view but like my

1425
00:52:37,750 --> 00:52:35,440
therapist you know we don't know what it

1426
00:52:39,190 --> 00:52:37,760
is but yeah he sort of realized that

1427
00:52:40,870 --> 00:52:39,200
yeah there's there is something there

1428
00:52:42,790 --> 00:52:40,880
and he's seen some things he actually

1429
00:52:43,990 --> 00:52:42,800
wrote a chapter in my book

1430
00:52:45,670 --> 00:52:44,000
um

1431
00:52:48,630 --> 00:52:45,680
where he just talked about some of the

1432
00:52:51,750 --> 00:52:48,640
things that he had seen which was very

1433
00:52:53,670 --> 00:52:51,760
good of him to do that but yeah

1434
00:52:55,030 --> 00:52:53,680
are you working with the therapist now

1435
00:52:56,309 --> 00:52:55,040
on dealing with your anomalous

1436
00:52:59,190 --> 00:52:56,319
experiences

1437
00:53:01,190 --> 00:52:59,200
no no okay

1438
00:53:02,230 --> 00:53:01,200
yeah i don't feel the need for that

1439
00:53:05,270 --> 00:53:02,240
support

1440
00:53:07,109 --> 00:53:05,280
um anymore i've i feel like

1441
00:53:09,430 --> 00:53:07,119
um i kind of

1442
00:53:11,750 --> 00:53:09,440
i've got such i've got it in a situation

1443
00:53:13,430 --> 00:53:11,760
now where i can just live and be fine be

1444
00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:13,440
fine with it

1445
00:53:18,790 --> 00:53:17,040
yeah good um i'm glad to hear that

1446
00:53:21,589 --> 00:53:18,800
your opinion what are we dealing with

1447
00:53:23,109 --> 00:53:21,599
one intelligence multiple intelligences

1448
00:53:24,630 --> 00:53:23,119
a whole bunch of different things going

1449
00:53:25,910 --> 00:53:24,640
on

1450
00:53:28,150 --> 00:53:25,920
probably a whole bunch of different

1451
00:53:29,589 --> 00:53:28,160
things going on

1452
00:53:31,109 --> 00:53:29,599
wouldn't surprise me if there's

1453
00:53:32,950 --> 00:53:31,119
intelligent life elsewhere in the

1454
00:53:34,470 --> 00:53:32,960
universe wouldn't surprise me at all if

1455
00:53:36,630 --> 00:53:34,480
they're coming here and that's some of

1456
00:53:39,349 --> 00:53:36,640
it

1457
00:53:41,510 --> 00:53:39,359
wouldn't surprise me if there are other

1458
00:53:43,670 --> 00:53:41,520
dimensions or just reality is just

1459
00:53:45,109 --> 00:53:43,680
completely different to how we

1460
00:53:48,390 --> 00:53:45,119
understand it

1461
00:53:49,750 --> 00:53:48,400
so probably a whole lot of things

1462
00:53:53,030 --> 00:53:49,760
there's probably a whole lot of things

1463
00:53:55,670 --> 00:53:53,040
mixed together which

1464
00:53:57,589 --> 00:53:55,680
we kind of group in the paranormal

1465
00:54:00,150 --> 00:53:57,599
umbrella but they probably have all

1466
00:54:01,829 --> 00:54:00,160
different causes would be my guess

1467
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:01,839
but yeah

1468
00:54:05,829 --> 00:54:04,000
speaking of all kind of different things

1469
00:54:07,589 --> 00:54:05,839
in your book you talk about

1470
00:54:09,190 --> 00:54:07,599
which really intrigued me metallic

1471
00:54:11,270 --> 00:54:09,200
plasma

1472
00:54:12,950 --> 00:54:11,280
in bed at night can you talk about that

1473
00:54:14,630 --> 00:54:12,960
a little bit because that was uh because

1474
00:54:16,470 --> 00:54:14,640
i've read stuff i've had friends talk

1475
00:54:17,910 --> 00:54:16,480
about plasma and it's kind of new to me

1476
00:54:20,390 --> 00:54:17,920
and just tell me what you experienced

1477
00:54:22,710 --> 00:54:20,400
related to that yeah just sometimes when

1478
00:54:26,150 --> 00:54:22,720
i'm in bed um

1479
00:54:28,230 --> 00:54:26,160
it doesn't happen so much now but um

1480
00:54:31,109 --> 00:54:28,240
i will just see this

1481
00:54:32,309 --> 00:54:31,119
it looks like cobwebby but with a slight

1482
00:54:33,829 --> 00:54:32,319
kind of

1483
00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:33,839
glimmer on it

1484
00:54:39,190 --> 00:54:36,240
floating in my room

1485
00:54:42,309 --> 00:54:39,200
um and it usually floats over to the

1486
00:54:45,349 --> 00:54:42,319
wall up like to an exterior wall or to a

1487
00:54:46,790 --> 00:54:45,359
window and then it disappears um

1488
00:54:48,549 --> 00:54:46,800
and then

1489
00:54:49,990 --> 00:54:48,559
i just sort of thought that was i didn't

1490
00:54:51,589 --> 00:54:50,000
really think about it and then one day i

1491
00:54:52,549 --> 00:54:51,599
just sort of realized it probably wasn't

1492
00:54:53,510 --> 00:54:52,559
normal

1493
00:54:54,870 --> 00:54:53,520
um

1494
00:54:56,390 --> 00:54:54,880
and then

1495
00:54:57,990 --> 00:54:56,400
yeah i just sort of realized you know

1496
00:55:00,470 --> 00:54:58,000
that that wasn't actually probably

1497
00:55:02,950 --> 00:55:00,480
normal but um and then

1498
00:55:05,190 --> 00:55:02,960
sometimes i've woken like once i came

1499
00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:05,200
round and there was one i was just lying

1500
00:55:08,950 --> 00:55:06,960
on my bed completely paralyzed and there

1501
00:55:11,349 --> 00:55:08,960
was one above my abdomen and it just

1502
00:55:14,390 --> 00:55:11,359
sort of rose up and then it floated over

1503
00:55:17,270 --> 00:55:14,400
to the wall and disappeared um

1504
00:55:19,190 --> 00:55:17,280
so and then i saw one of them

1505
00:55:21,670 --> 00:55:19,200
all of them i've seen in the dark except

1506
00:55:23,670 --> 00:55:21,680
for one that i saw with the light on and

1507
00:55:26,870 --> 00:55:23,680
there at that one and had like a it was

1508
00:55:29,270 --> 00:55:26,880
like a silvery metallic kind of

1509
00:55:31,510 --> 00:55:29,280
plasma looking thing had a kind of a

1510
00:55:32,630 --> 00:55:31,520
glow or a shine on it

1511
00:55:37,750 --> 00:55:32,640
um

1512
00:55:39,910 --> 00:55:37,760
you think does it come across as being

1513
00:55:41,109 --> 00:55:39,920
intelligently guided

1514
00:55:44,390 --> 00:55:41,119
controlled

1515
00:55:46,390 --> 00:55:44,400
i didn't pick up an intelligence from it

1516
00:55:48,870 --> 00:55:46,400
but i did

1517
00:55:50,309 --> 00:55:48,880
um

1518
00:55:52,309 --> 00:55:50,319
i had a kind of

1519
00:55:54,150 --> 00:55:52,319
i wouldn't even know how to describe it

1520
00:55:56,150 --> 00:55:54,160
like an awareness

1521
00:55:59,109 --> 00:55:56,160
that i shouldn't move

1522
00:56:00,789 --> 00:55:59,119
when they're there although i'm

1523
00:56:02,630 --> 00:56:00,799
you know paralyzed when they're there

1524
00:56:04,390 --> 00:56:02,640
but awesome it's interesting why do you

1525
00:56:06,710 --> 00:56:04,400
think you know it's almost like and when

1526
00:56:08,470 --> 00:56:06,720
i saw that that you're paralyzed it

1527
00:56:10,390 --> 00:56:08,480
almost was like

1528
00:56:11,990 --> 00:56:10,400
don't touch us don't come near us we're

1529
00:56:13,589 --> 00:56:12,000
gonna paralyze you so you don't get

1530
00:56:14,230 --> 00:56:13,599
injured because there are people who

1531
00:56:16,230 --> 00:56:14,240
have

1532
00:56:19,270 --> 00:56:16,240
getting injured from from that type of

1533
00:56:20,230 --> 00:56:19,280
orb i'll call it an orb okay

1534
00:56:21,109 --> 00:56:20,240
right

1535
00:56:21,910 --> 00:56:21,119
um

1536
00:56:26,230 --> 00:56:21,920
yeah

1537
00:56:28,069 --> 00:56:26,240
awareness that i'm not supposed to move

1538
00:56:30,710 --> 00:56:28,079
and then you know being paralyzed so i

1539
00:56:31,430 --> 00:56:30,720
can't move i mean maybe that is what it

1540
00:56:33,030 --> 00:56:31,440
is

1541
00:56:33,910 --> 00:56:33,040
i've never actually heard of anybody

1542
00:56:35,510 --> 00:56:33,920
else

1543
00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:35,520
seeing that plasma like that so i'm

1544
00:56:38,710 --> 00:56:37,200
interested that you've actually so did

1545
00:56:41,109 --> 00:56:38,720
you say that you've actually talked to

1546
00:56:43,030 --> 00:56:41,119
others who have seen that well i don't

1547
00:56:45,349 --> 00:56:43,040
know if they would call it a plasma but

1548
00:56:46,789 --> 00:56:45,359
in the in the george knapp keller her

1549
00:56:48,470 --> 00:56:46,799
column keller her book there are people

1550
00:56:50,710 --> 00:56:48,480
who have had the orbs

1551
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:50,720
um in their homes you have people who

1552
00:56:54,309 --> 00:56:53,040
experience orbs out driving in the car

1553
00:56:56,150 --> 00:56:54,319
one

1554
00:56:57,910 --> 00:56:56,160
this daughter was driving with her dad

1555
00:57:00,069 --> 00:56:57,920
she noticed these orbs in a field as

1556
00:57:01,829 --> 00:57:00,079
soon as she noticed them they came up to

1557
00:57:05,589 --> 00:57:01,839
the car in the car went through her

1558
00:57:07,109 --> 00:57:05,599
dad's arm he wound up getting cancer um

1559
00:57:08,950 --> 00:57:07,119
although that night he had a dream where

1560
00:57:10,950 --> 00:57:08,960
they said don't worry we'll fix this but

1561
00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:10,960
they didn't fix it because he got cancer

1562
00:57:14,789 --> 00:57:12,720
she went home to the east coast to

1563
00:57:15,910 --> 00:57:14,799
connecticut that happened in oregon she

1564
00:57:17,190 --> 00:57:15,920
went home to the east coast in

1565
00:57:19,030 --> 00:57:17,200
connecticut and started having an

1566
00:57:21,510 --> 00:57:19,040
explosion of poltergeist like

1567
00:57:24,309 --> 00:57:21,520
poltergeist like activity shadow being

1568
00:57:25,270 --> 00:57:24,319
standing over her bed um orbs in the

1569
00:57:27,589 --> 00:57:25,280
house

1570
00:57:29,270 --> 00:57:27,599
uh you know stuff like that which is

1571
00:57:30,710 --> 00:57:29,280
it's happening and that's what that book

1572
00:57:33,270 --> 00:57:30,720
deals a lot with people who went to

1573
00:57:36,230 --> 00:57:33,280
skinwalker ranch they went home same

1574
00:57:39,190 --> 00:57:36,240
type of thing shadow beings orbs

1575
00:57:41,430 --> 00:57:39,200
poltergeist activity one woman she saw

1576
00:57:43,510 --> 00:57:41,440
this and it's it's very controversial

1577
00:57:45,829 --> 00:57:43,520
and it's hard to believe upright wolf

1578
00:57:47,510 --> 00:57:45,839
outside of her window her son saw it

1579
00:57:49,190 --> 00:57:47,520
separately her son's friend saw it

1580
00:57:51,910 --> 00:57:49,200
separately so the whole related

1581
00:57:53,990 --> 00:57:51,920
phenomena is such for me if we if we're

1582
00:57:55,670 --> 00:57:54,000
going to try to understand it we have to

1583
00:57:57,589 --> 00:57:55,680
look at all of that otherwise we have

1584
00:57:59,190 --> 00:57:57,599
zero we're just looking at what's in the

1585
00:58:01,510 --> 00:57:59,200
sky you know so

1586
00:58:04,470 --> 00:58:01,520
yeah it's definitely definitely um

1587
00:58:06,870 --> 00:58:04,480
really curious what those orbs or plasma

1588
00:58:07,829 --> 00:58:06,880
balls are i have no idea

1589
00:58:11,190 --> 00:58:07,839
yeah

1590
00:58:13,349 --> 00:58:11,200
no it's it's very interesting

1591
00:58:16,069 --> 00:58:13,359
gosh yeah yeah that sort of whole high

1592
00:58:17,990 --> 00:58:16,079
strangeness aspect is very much part of

1593
00:58:19,670 --> 00:58:18,000
the phenomenon and i think it's sort of

1594
00:58:21,430 --> 00:58:19,680
discrediting in a way because people

1595
00:58:23,030 --> 00:58:21,440
from who don't

1596
00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:23,040
live it can sort of think oh you know

1597
00:58:27,510 --> 00:58:25,200
this is absolutely ridiculous but there

1598
00:58:30,630 --> 00:58:27,520
is a sort of a high strangeness

1599
00:58:31,990 --> 00:58:30,640
aspect to it and yeah i i think we do

1600
00:58:33,670 --> 00:58:32,000
have to kind of

1601
00:58:36,630 --> 00:58:33,680
get to grips with that and sort of

1602
00:58:38,950 --> 00:58:36,640
realize whatever is going on

1603
00:58:40,870 --> 00:58:38,960
don't be sort of

1604
00:58:44,069 --> 00:58:40,880
don't be diverted by that it might

1605
00:58:45,430 --> 00:58:44,079
actually be part of the phenomenon yeah

1606
00:58:47,190 --> 00:58:45,440
yeah

1607
00:58:48,950 --> 00:58:47,200
i agree um

1608
00:58:50,630 --> 00:58:48,960
you and your husband have had

1609
00:58:52,230 --> 00:58:50,640
90 minutes of missing time is that

1610
00:58:54,870 --> 00:58:52,240
accurate

1611
00:58:57,349 --> 00:58:54,880
yeah we've had um

1612
00:58:58,309 --> 00:58:57,359
some experiences of missing time

1613
00:59:00,069 --> 00:58:58,319
um

1614
00:59:01,670 --> 00:59:00,079
there was once when we were in a house

1615
00:59:03,990 --> 00:59:01,680
and we're

1616
00:59:06,470 --> 00:59:04,000
looking after some kittens

1617
00:59:08,789 --> 00:59:06,480
and then i was in the lounge and i just

1618
00:59:10,630 --> 00:59:08,799
went out to get my camera which was in

1619
00:59:12,870 --> 00:59:10,640
the bedroom to come back and take a

1620
00:59:14,789 --> 00:59:12,880
photo of them and as i was walking to

1621
00:59:17,109 --> 00:59:14,799
get the camera it was like becoming

1622
00:59:20,150 --> 00:59:17,119
really hard to walk it's like walking

1623
00:59:22,549 --> 00:59:20,160
through water or treacle or something

1624
00:59:23,750 --> 00:59:22,559
and then i came back and took a photo

1625
00:59:24,870 --> 00:59:23,760
and then

1626
00:59:26,150 --> 00:59:24,880
um

1627
00:59:29,750 --> 00:59:26,160
my husband

1628
00:59:31,829 --> 00:59:29,760
just started feeling a bit unwell but he

1629
00:59:34,069 --> 00:59:31,839
had been fine before then and he went

1630
00:59:35,190 --> 00:59:34,079
into the kitchen to get a drink to see

1631
00:59:36,710 --> 00:59:35,200
that would make him feel better and he

1632
00:59:37,589 --> 00:59:36,720
looked at the time and they had been a

1633
00:59:40,870 --> 00:59:37,599
huge

1634
00:59:42,630 --> 00:59:40,880
um jump in time and then

1635
00:59:44,150 --> 00:59:42,640
later we went back and sort of pieced it

1636
00:59:48,150 --> 00:59:44,160
all together and we looked at the time

1637
00:59:49,829 --> 00:59:48,160
stamps um on the photos um and they were

1638
00:59:51,910 --> 00:59:49,839
two period there was a big chunk of

1639
00:59:52,950 --> 00:59:51,920
missing time from between when i left

1640
00:59:54,789 --> 00:59:52,960
the room

1641
00:59:55,829 --> 00:59:54,799
to when i took the photo and then there

1642
00:59:58,230 --> 00:59:55,839
was another

1643
00:59:59,750 --> 00:59:58,240
chunk chunk of missing time between when

1644
01:00:01,910 --> 00:59:59,760
i took the photo and my husband went

1645
01:00:03,750 --> 01:00:01,920
into the kitchen um

1646
01:00:06,230 --> 01:00:03,760
yeah so that was

1647
01:00:08,789 --> 01:00:06,240
and that was fairly early on in our

1648
01:00:11,030 --> 01:00:08,799
um relationship so

1649
01:00:13,270 --> 01:00:11,040
yeah it was yeah we have had some

1650
01:00:15,109 --> 01:00:13,280
missing time yeah what did he think

1651
01:00:16,870 --> 01:00:15,119
about that how did that conversation go

1652
01:00:17,910 --> 01:00:16,880
because i would be like what the heck

1653
01:00:19,109 --> 01:00:17,920
just happened

1654
01:00:20,870 --> 01:00:19,119
yeah he's

1655
01:00:23,109 --> 01:00:20,880
really surprised he thinks that's the

1656
01:00:25,109 --> 01:00:23,119
strangest of all of the things that he

1657
01:00:26,069 --> 01:00:25,119
has seen yeah

1658
01:00:28,630 --> 01:00:26,079
um

1659
01:00:31,750 --> 01:00:28,640
yeah i think it it i mean it brought

1660
01:00:34,390 --> 01:00:31,760
home to him that this phenomenon there

1661
01:00:36,390 --> 01:00:34,400
is something happening um yeah because

1662
01:00:37,750 --> 01:00:36,400
he experienced it himself

1663
01:00:40,230 --> 01:00:37,760
um

1664
01:00:42,230 --> 01:00:40,240
so he's quite a grounded person so it

1665
01:00:43,670 --> 01:00:42,240
didn't sort of destabilize or anything

1666
01:00:46,069 --> 01:00:43,680
like that but

1667
01:00:47,750 --> 01:00:46,079
um yeah it was one of the things that

1668
01:00:49,190 --> 01:00:47,760
really made him realize that yeah there

1669
01:00:51,750 --> 01:00:49,200
is something

1670
01:00:53,990 --> 01:00:51,760
something happening

1671
01:00:56,390 --> 01:00:54,000
you are able to make a compass move you

1672
01:00:58,630 --> 01:00:56,400
have pk ability

1673
01:01:01,030 --> 01:00:58,640
i wouldn't say that

1674
01:01:06,230 --> 01:01:03,430
i do

1675
01:01:07,349 --> 01:01:06,240
i have noticed that when there is a

1676
01:01:10,150 --> 01:01:07,359
compass

1677
01:01:12,309 --> 01:01:10,160
near me it deflects a little bit over to

1678
01:01:14,230 --> 01:01:12,319
the east

1679
01:01:16,069 --> 01:01:14,240
and actually my therapist found that

1680
01:01:18,789 --> 01:01:16,079
interesting and my therapist actually

1681
01:01:20,549 --> 01:01:18,799
tested that with me um

1682
01:01:22,069 --> 01:01:20,559
and he

1683
01:01:23,430 --> 01:01:22,079
got some

1684
01:01:26,069 --> 01:01:23,440
really

1685
01:01:28,230 --> 01:01:26,079
good compasses like oil-based compasses

1686
01:01:29,589 --> 01:01:28,240
and things like that and and it was

1687
01:01:31,030 --> 01:01:29,599
doing that

1688
01:01:33,589 --> 01:01:31,040
um and then

1689
01:01:35,750 --> 01:01:33,599
he also

1690
01:01:37,430 --> 01:01:35,760
gave me a compass to keep in my

1691
01:01:39,430 --> 01:01:37,440
apartment and it just completely

1692
01:01:40,549 --> 01:01:39,440
destroyed the compass it didn't work

1693
01:01:42,789 --> 01:01:40,559
after that

1694
01:01:44,870 --> 01:01:42,799
um and then my husband

1695
01:01:46,390 --> 01:01:44,880
here in this house he

1696
01:01:48,549 --> 01:01:46,400
um did some

1697
01:01:50,789 --> 01:01:48,559
you know little tests and then and then

1698
01:01:52,870 --> 01:01:50,799
yeah when he put it near me it just

1699
01:01:54,950 --> 01:01:52,880
deflects about

1700
01:01:57,190 --> 01:01:54,960
um you know a little bit towards the

1701
01:01:59,430 --> 01:01:57,200
east but i don't do it i don't have any

1702
01:02:02,150 --> 01:01:59,440
pk ability or anything like that i don't

1703
01:02:03,990 --> 01:02:02,160
it's not something that i do it's just

1704
01:02:06,630 --> 01:02:04,000
something that happens when i'm around

1705
01:02:08,390 --> 01:02:06,640
compasses they are they just break down

1706
01:02:10,870 --> 01:02:08,400
or they just deflect slightly to the

1707
01:02:12,549 --> 01:02:10,880
east and i've i've never known you know

1708
01:02:13,990 --> 01:02:12,559
why that is

1709
01:02:17,030 --> 01:02:14,000
have you tried to have you tried

1710
01:02:20,390 --> 01:02:17,040
anything as far as any pk experiments

1711
01:02:23,270 --> 01:02:20,400
i have um i tried bending a key

1712
01:02:25,670 --> 01:02:23,280
um you know yuri gala style um

1713
01:02:28,230 --> 01:02:25,680
and i did it for about 15 minutes and

1714
01:02:30,390 --> 01:02:28,240
then nothing happened and i put it away

1715
01:02:32,150 --> 01:02:30,400
um and then i went to lock the door with

1716
01:02:35,270 --> 01:02:32,160
a key and it was a little bit bent where

1717
01:02:38,230 --> 01:02:35,280
i had done it so i don't know

1718
01:02:41,030 --> 01:02:38,240
whether that was delayed reaction or

1719
01:02:41,829 --> 01:02:41,040
just a weird coincidence of what it was

1720
01:02:43,430 --> 01:02:41,839
but

1721
01:02:45,829 --> 01:02:43,440
um i don't

1722
01:02:47,030 --> 01:02:45,839
believe that i have those abilities but

1723
01:02:49,109 --> 01:02:47,040
yeah i have

1724
01:02:51,349 --> 01:02:49,119
tried that have you ever ever tried to

1725
01:02:53,589 --> 01:02:51,359
do any remote viewing i took a i took a

1726
01:02:55,750 --> 01:02:53,599
couple of classes one with a former

1727
01:02:59,030 --> 01:02:55,760
remote viewer uh military guy lynn

1728
01:03:01,030 --> 01:02:59,040
buchanan and i was able to most of my

1729
01:03:02,710 --> 01:03:01,040
data was garbage but there were certain

1730
01:03:04,069 --> 01:03:02,720
things that like it just jumped out and

1731
01:03:07,030 --> 01:03:04,079
like obviously

1732
01:03:08,630 --> 01:03:07,040
somehow i acquired acquired the target i

1733
01:03:11,510 --> 01:03:08,640
think we all have that ability so have

1734
01:03:15,190 --> 01:03:12,309
um

1735
01:03:17,510 --> 01:03:15,200
i i agree i think we all probably have a

1736
01:03:20,390 --> 01:03:17,520
lot of these abilities but we just don't

1737
01:03:21,349 --> 01:03:20,400
know it um i

1738
01:03:23,750 --> 01:03:21,359
haven't

1739
01:03:26,230 --> 01:03:23,760
done anything like you know a course or

1740
01:03:29,029 --> 01:03:26,240
remote viewing or anything like that i i

1741
01:03:31,270 --> 01:03:29,039
have premonitions of things and i wonder

1742
01:03:34,309 --> 01:03:31,280
whether that's a form of remote viewing

1743
01:03:35,050 --> 01:03:34,319
but it's spontaneous um i don't control

1744
01:03:36,470 --> 01:03:35,060
it um

1745
01:03:39,029 --> 01:03:36,480
[Music]

1746
01:03:40,870 --> 01:03:39,039
i'd be interested to do it but

1747
01:03:43,270 --> 01:03:40,880
i haven't you know

1748
01:03:45,750 --> 01:03:43,280
done any like you know formal kind of

1749
01:03:47,430 --> 01:03:45,760
things to do with that no

1750
01:03:49,109 --> 01:03:47,440
you did have one experience where you

1751
01:03:50,390 --> 01:03:49,119
thought the person had died you had just

1752
01:03:52,870 --> 01:03:50,400
showed up at their house i'm not sure

1753
01:03:54,470 --> 01:03:52,880
how old you were um

1754
01:03:55,750 --> 01:03:54,480
you knew and i've had had two

1755
01:03:57,029 --> 01:03:55,760
experiences like that one when i was

1756
01:03:58,789 --> 01:03:57,039
younger i had a dream that my

1757
01:04:01,190 --> 01:03:58,799
schoolmate's mom died i knew nothing

1758
01:04:02,950 --> 01:04:01,200
about her and next day i go in her mom

1759
01:04:05,109 --> 01:04:02,960
died and then when i was i was

1760
01:04:06,870 --> 01:04:05,119
volunteering with dying people this one

1761
01:04:08,950 --> 01:04:06,880
particular guy was not on the verge of

1762
01:04:11,029 --> 01:04:08,960
dying he had emphysema but

1763
01:04:13,190 --> 01:04:11,039
no he wasn't you know i had not seen any

1764
01:04:15,510 --> 01:04:13,200
changes in his health and i i go home

1765
01:04:17,430 --> 01:04:15,520
have a dream that he dies go in the next

1766
01:04:19,510 --> 01:04:17,440
day the nurse is like i need to talk to

1767
01:04:21,190 --> 01:04:19,520
you before you go in i'm like frank died

1768
01:04:22,710 --> 01:04:21,200
right she goes how did you know i'm like

1769
01:04:25,349 --> 01:04:22,720
i dreamt about it and she didn't even

1770
01:04:27,430 --> 01:04:25,359
bat an eye because nurses encounter that

1771
01:04:29,029 --> 01:04:27,440
all the time but you had it how old were

1772
01:04:30,710 --> 01:04:29,039
how old were you when you had that

1773
01:04:31,589 --> 01:04:30,720
feeling and then found out the person

1774
01:04:35,510 --> 01:04:31,599
died

1775
01:04:39,190 --> 01:04:35,520
yeah maybe oh god maybe 11 12 sort of

1776
01:04:40,789 --> 01:04:39,200
that sort of age um yeah i was just out

1777
01:04:41,990 --> 01:04:40,799
um shopping

1778
01:04:44,230 --> 01:04:42,000
um

1779
01:04:46,630 --> 01:04:44,240
with with his wife and we just went back

1780
01:04:49,190 --> 01:04:46,640
to the house and then we were just in

1781
01:04:51,109 --> 01:04:49,200
the in the outside the house and she was

1782
01:04:53,990 --> 01:04:51,119
going to open the door and i just knew

1783
01:04:55,829 --> 01:04:54,000
that her husband had died um and then

1784
01:04:58,390 --> 01:04:55,839
went in and yeah his her husband had

1785
01:05:00,069 --> 01:04:58,400
died and i just knew it i don't know how

1786
01:05:01,829 --> 01:05:00,079
i knew but it just

1787
01:05:02,789 --> 01:05:01,839
i just knew

1788
01:05:04,470 --> 01:05:02,799
um

1789
01:05:06,710 --> 01:05:04,480
so yeah i think that's

1790
01:05:08,230 --> 01:05:06,720
um actually um

1791
01:05:10,309 --> 01:05:08,240
that's something that quite a lot of my

1792
01:05:11,750 --> 01:05:10,319
mother's ancestors and relatives and my

1793
01:05:14,309 --> 01:05:11,760
mother's side of the family have where

1794
01:05:15,190 --> 01:05:14,319
they just know things and you don't know

1795
01:05:17,109 --> 01:05:15,200
how

1796
01:05:18,549 --> 01:05:17,119
but it just the knowledge is just

1797
01:05:21,589 --> 01:05:18,559
suddenly there

1798
01:05:23,430 --> 01:05:21,599
um so i might have got that from from my

1799
01:05:25,270 --> 01:05:23,440
mother's side of the family

1800
01:05:26,390 --> 01:05:25,280
although my father's mother had that as

1801
01:05:28,549 --> 01:05:26,400
well so

1802
01:05:30,950 --> 01:05:28,559
you know it's really interesting on that

1803
01:05:32,549 --> 01:05:30,960
the work of dr gary nolan at stanford

1804
01:05:33,990 --> 01:05:32,559
him and dr kit green they've done

1805
01:05:36,630 --> 01:05:34,000
studies where

1806
01:05:38,950 --> 01:05:36,640
the caudate patea potamon is it's they

1807
01:05:39,670 --> 01:05:38,960
believe it's the the center of intuition

1808
01:05:45,430 --> 01:05:39,680
and

1809
01:05:46,710 --> 01:05:45,440
it's also what schizophrenics it's also

1810
01:05:50,230 --> 01:05:46,720
with

1811
01:05:52,870 --> 01:05:50,240
i'm trying to think who else um savants

1812
01:05:54,470 --> 01:05:52,880
they have this over abundance of nerve

1813
01:05:56,549 --> 01:05:54,480
bundles and i may not be saying it but

1814
01:06:00,150 --> 01:05:56,559
it's it's an above average

1815
01:06:01,510 --> 01:06:00,160
caudate pertainment and he found that

1816
01:06:02,870 --> 01:06:01,520
in their

1817
01:06:05,990 --> 01:06:02,880
i forget what it's called when you have

1818
01:06:08,150 --> 01:06:06,000
a a group of people in a study

1819
01:06:10,390 --> 01:06:08,160
i'm drawing a blank but in the group

1820
01:06:12,630 --> 01:06:10,400
that they're studying there are husbands

1821
01:06:14,789 --> 01:06:12,640
and wives that have that which should

1822
01:06:16,950 --> 01:06:14,799
not happen somehow they're being drawn

1823
01:06:20,230 --> 01:06:16,960
to each other because this is not common

1824
01:06:22,150 --> 01:06:20,240
to have this over abundance this large

1825
01:06:23,829 --> 01:06:22,160
and i'm i'm really dropping the ball

1826
01:06:25,829 --> 01:06:23,839
here it's an overabundance of

1827
01:06:27,750 --> 01:06:25,839
connections in the caudate containment

1828
01:06:29,670 --> 01:06:27,760
which is the center they believe of

1829
01:06:30,950 --> 01:06:29,680
intuition um

1830
01:06:32,309 --> 01:06:30,960
they're doing more studies so it's just

1831
01:06:34,230 --> 01:06:32,319
the beginning they have one

1832
01:06:35,910 --> 01:06:34,240
peer-reviewed paper right now their

1833
01:06:37,670 --> 01:06:35,920
second one's going to come out a third

1834
01:06:39,589 --> 01:06:37,680
one later on down the road trying to

1835
01:06:41,510 --> 01:06:39,599
figure out basically what intuition is

1836
01:06:43,190 --> 01:06:41,520
and these folks you know if you study

1837
01:06:45,589 --> 01:06:43,200
them later on and you find people have

1838
01:06:47,109 --> 01:06:45,599
that part of their brain

1839
01:06:48,950 --> 01:06:47,119
above average

1840
01:06:51,029 --> 01:06:48,960
maybe you know we can tell that person

1841
01:06:53,029 --> 01:06:51,039
is going to be an amazing psychic

1842
01:06:55,190 --> 01:06:53,039
it's in the early stages but like you

1843
01:06:57,029 --> 01:06:55,200
said you speak about family they find

1844
01:06:59,430 --> 01:06:57,039
spouses have it and then their kids wind

1845
01:07:00,630 --> 01:06:59,440
up having it so not sure how it gets

1846
01:07:02,710 --> 01:07:00,640
passed on to the kids if it's

1847
01:07:04,309 --> 01:07:02,720
genetically genetic

1848
01:07:07,029 --> 01:07:04,319
but yeah it's really interesting

1849
01:07:08,789 --> 01:07:07,039
research lying that's just just starting

1850
01:07:11,750 --> 01:07:08,799
like the last couple years

1851
01:07:14,150 --> 01:07:11,760
yeah fascinating yeah i mean i think

1852
01:07:16,390 --> 01:07:14,160
it'd be really interesting to if there

1853
01:07:18,630 --> 01:07:16,400
were you know a lot of really good

1854
01:07:21,109 --> 01:07:18,640
scientific studies of

1855
01:07:22,309 --> 01:07:21,119
um experiences i think it could be a

1856
01:07:24,390 --> 01:07:22,319
good way of

1857
01:07:26,390 --> 01:07:24,400
you know trying to find out what's going

1858
01:07:27,829 --> 01:07:26,400
on because i wouldn't be surprised if

1859
01:07:29,910 --> 01:07:27,839
there is some

1860
01:07:32,549 --> 01:07:29,920
something about your brain that either

1861
01:07:34,230 --> 01:07:32,559
is slightly more open to seeing things

1862
01:07:36,309 --> 01:07:34,240
or interpreting things or maybe that

1863
01:07:38,069 --> 01:07:36,319
your brain is you know being affected

1864
01:07:41,270 --> 01:07:38,079
and having side effects

1865
01:07:44,630 --> 01:07:41,280
um yes it'd be really interesting

1866
01:07:46,630 --> 01:07:44,640
yeah i think i think we may not get

1867
01:07:48,710 --> 01:07:46,640
full anything related to full disclosure

1868
01:07:50,150 --> 01:07:48,720
on uf homes in the future but i think

1869
01:07:51,670 --> 01:07:50,160
we're going to see studies like that

1870
01:07:53,430 --> 01:07:51,680
going forward because it's all already

1871
01:07:55,510 --> 01:07:53,440
happening it's just a matter of funding

1872
01:07:57,990 --> 01:07:55,520
in a lot of cases because it's really

1873
01:08:00,470 --> 01:07:58,000
still hard to get funding but there are

1874
01:08:01,990 --> 01:08:00,480
there are mines opening doctor nolan and

1875
01:08:04,549 --> 01:08:02,000
jacques volley and two other authors

1876
01:08:08,390 --> 01:08:04,559
wrote a paper on ufo material that was

1877
01:08:11,349 --> 01:08:08,400
deposited that deposited at blind

1878
01:08:12,950 --> 01:08:11,359
blind i'm not saying it pine bluffs iowa

1879
01:08:15,349 --> 01:08:12,960
and it turned out to be

1880
01:08:17,269 --> 01:08:15,359
not anomalous but it's the first paper

1881
01:08:18,950 --> 01:08:17,279
showing how to study those materials and

1882
01:08:21,590 --> 01:08:18,960
they're going to do more materials going

1883
01:08:23,349 --> 01:08:21,600
forward so things are happening things

1884
01:08:24,390 --> 01:08:23,359
are you know people are being becoming

1885
01:08:25,990 --> 01:08:24,400
more aware

1886
01:08:27,749 --> 01:08:26,000
uh i don't know how far it'll go it'll

1887
01:08:29,590 --> 01:08:27,759
go in our lifetime but i just wanted to

1888
01:08:30,870 --> 01:08:29,600
touch on one more thing you said you

1889
01:08:33,349 --> 01:08:30,880
know you talk you felt like you were

1890
01:08:34,709 --> 01:08:33,359
like taught by other teachers outside of

1891
01:08:36,630 --> 01:08:34,719
your teachers in school like there was

1892
01:08:39,189 --> 01:08:36,640
something going on with your experiences

1893
01:08:40,870 --> 01:08:39,199
where they whatever they are we're

1894
01:08:42,789 --> 01:08:40,880
teaching you which is similar to what

1895
01:08:45,430 --> 01:08:42,799
whitley strieber reports in the secret

1896
01:08:47,269 --> 01:08:45,440
school so what do you think you think

1897
01:08:48,709 --> 01:08:47,279
they're preparing preparing you for

1898
01:08:50,950 --> 01:08:48,719
something and when you get older

1899
01:08:52,550 --> 01:08:50,960
anything any ideas on that yeah i always

1900
01:08:53,990 --> 01:08:52,560
wondered about that i mean what is the

1901
01:08:54,950 --> 01:08:54,000
point i mean

1902
01:08:55,910 --> 01:08:54,960
um

1903
01:08:58,390 --> 01:08:55,920
you know

1904
01:09:00,390 --> 01:08:58,400
i mean i'm not aware that i'm using

1905
01:09:03,110 --> 01:09:00,400
any particular knowledge for any

1906
01:09:04,709 --> 01:09:03,120
particular thing um and then is it just

1907
01:09:06,390 --> 01:09:04,719
you know like a hamster where you're

1908
01:09:07,349 --> 01:09:06,400
being trained to do certain things to

1909
01:09:09,269 --> 01:09:07,359
see

1910
01:09:11,669 --> 01:09:09,279
how you do or what you're doing or

1911
01:09:14,390 --> 01:09:11,679
something i don't know or whether

1912
01:09:16,870 --> 01:09:14,400
whether it's something completely

1913
01:09:19,590 --> 01:09:16,880
that well have no way of knowing what it

1914
01:09:20,390 --> 01:09:19,600
is but yeah just a sort of sense that

1915
01:09:21,430 --> 01:09:20,400
i've

1916
01:09:24,229 --> 01:09:21,440
been

1917
01:09:25,349 --> 01:09:24,239
taught things or and that i know things

1918
01:09:27,510 --> 01:09:25,359
but i don't

1919
01:09:30,950 --> 01:09:27,520
know how i know i don't even know

1920
01:09:33,110 --> 01:09:30,960
what i know but yeah definitely a sense

1921
01:09:35,030 --> 01:09:33,120
that there has been some input or

1922
01:09:36,709 --> 01:09:35,040
something like that

1923
01:09:38,390 --> 01:09:36,719
yeah

1924
01:09:39,669 --> 01:09:38,400
well i know i'm not going to talk about

1925
01:09:41,430 --> 01:09:39,679
it here i'm going to let people read the

1926
01:09:43,269 --> 01:09:41,440
book we can talk about

1927
01:09:44,870 --> 01:09:43,279
they can read about alien footprints

1928
01:09:47,110 --> 01:09:44,880
they can read about some of your other

1929
01:09:49,749 --> 01:09:47,120
premonitions you really did a great job

1930
01:09:51,510 --> 01:09:49,759
on the book and i'll just say that maybe

1931
01:09:53,590 --> 01:09:51,520
they got you ready to be talking like

1932
01:09:55,030 --> 01:09:53,600
you're talking right now because i think

1933
01:09:57,030 --> 01:09:55,040
you're going to help other experiences

1934
01:09:59,350 --> 01:09:57,040
come forward i love your attitude where

1935
01:10:01,270 --> 01:09:59,360
you're agnostic i think agnostic is the

1936
01:10:03,030 --> 01:10:01,280
way to be um

1937
01:10:04,470 --> 01:10:03,040
so you should be proud of yourself emma

1938
01:10:05,990 --> 01:10:04,480
because it's really for you to go

1939
01:10:07,910 --> 01:10:06,000
through all of that and to go through

1940
01:10:09,350 --> 01:10:07,920
everything you went with jacobs and now

1941
01:10:10,709 --> 01:10:09,360
you've written a book so and i know you

1942
01:10:12,550 --> 01:10:10,719
have more books than you that are coming

1943
01:10:14,870 --> 01:10:12,560
out and i just want to thank you for

1944
01:10:16,790 --> 01:10:14,880
doing this and really yeah be proud of

1945
01:10:17,669 --> 01:10:16,800
yourself it's a really great book great

1946
01:10:19,030 --> 01:10:17,679
job

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well thank you so much i really

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appreciate it

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thank you for having me on the show

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you're welcome we'll talk soon

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okay

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so hopefully you guys enjoyed that i

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will add a link to her book in the notes

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and

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the experience with dr jacobs her side

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i'll also include dr jacob's side

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and

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but like i said she's about so much more

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than that and i did not want to focus on

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that and i'm glad we did not i know a

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lot of people want to hear it because

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it's

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situations in my life when i worked in

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reality television which was all drama

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and

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her stories about her experiences her

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anomalous experiences and

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when you read the book you'll see that

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so anyway hopefully you guys enjoyed

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that and

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coming up next will be michael via

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michael vi will be

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on with me soon and

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i'm still trying to get bill bankston

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who's done work healing mice of cancer

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which is amazing and still gets ignored

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so everybody have a good night or a good

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day whenever you're watching this we had

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technical problems the first time so i

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didn't go live and we made it through

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which i'm really relieved

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um so yeah thanks for watching and if

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you like this like it subscribe if you

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like to support what i do on twitter on

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here on my blog you can support me i'll